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Seems like a common theme these days, to find some theory of math/physics to explain life/evolution/consciousness E/Acc -> Second law of thermodynamics leads t

Seems like a common theme these days, to find some theory of math/physics to explain life/evolution/consciousness E/Acc -> Second law of thermodynamics leads to 'life' as way of increasing entropy. https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-thermodynamics-theory-of-the-origin-of-life-20140122/ https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-thermodynamics-theory-o... Constructor Theory -> A constructor is an entity that can cause the task to occur while retaining the ability to cause it again. - and Life is constructors. Assembly Theory -> Lee Cronin. Assembly Theory defines all objects by their capacity to be assembled or broken down using minimal paths. https://iai.tv/articles/a-new-theory-of-matter-may-help-explain-life-lee-cronin-auid-2656 https://iai.tv/articles/a-new-theory-of-matter-may-help-expl... Whatever Donald Hoffman is saying lately. Which might not be about underlying layers, just how we can't know them. etc...

AnimalMuppet 3y ago
It's almost teleological. Many people have ruled out God, but still want there to be purpose or direction.
- monkaiju 3y ago
  Thats exactly what it is i think. Theyre unable to find meaning in the real world and need an equally mystical hand waivey narrative
  - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
    Not my intention to toss science out the window. All theories are just ideas or musings in the beginning. Until they are further defined, researched and proven. Things like the earth circling the sun, sounded crazy at first. It also went against god. If all independent 'thoughts' are diss-allowed because only "god" can provide the answers, then we'd still be living in trees wondering why the sun comes up. How do you think we have anything, without someone, at some point, asking 'how does this work?'.
    - monkaiju 3y ago
      Did you respond to the intended comment? Seems unrelated to mine
      - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        The parent of yours was about God, and you seemed to agree with that one. Seemed related. Weren't you equating someone's proposed theory as hand wavy mysticism, because of a lack of meaning in their lives? But maybe not. I could me reading too much into it. Apologies.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago

It's almost teleological. Many people have ruled out God, but still want there to be purpose or direction.

monkaiju 3y ago
Thats exactly what it is i think. Theyre unable to find meaning in the real world and need an equally mystical hand waivey narrative
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  Not my intention to toss science out the window. All theories are just ideas or musings in the beginning. Until they are further defined, researched and proven. Things like the earth circling the sun, sounded crazy at first. It also went against god. If all independent 'thoughts' are diss-allowed because only "god" can provide the answers, then we'd still be living in trees wondering why the sun comes up. How do you think we have anything, without someone, at some point, asking 'how does this work?'.
  - monkaiju 3y ago
    Did you respond to the intended comment? Seems unrelated to mine
    - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
      The parent of yours was about God, and you seemed to agree with that one. Seemed related. Weren't you equating someone's proposed theory as hand wavy mysticism, because of a lack of meaning in their lives? But maybe not. I could me reading too much into it. Apologies.