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> for starters you're not bound to islands big enough for an airport. The competition for that space is seaplanes, including both floatplanes and flying boats,
by eesmith 3y ago
> for starters you're not bound to islands big enough for an airport.
The competition for that space is seaplanes, including both floatplanes and flying boats, which have been around for a century. Electric versions of those exist, like https://harbourair.com/corporate-responsibility/goingelectric/ https://harbourair.com/corporate-responsibility/goingelectri... , and https://el-fly.no/ https://el-fly.no/ wants to build an electric amphibious flying boat.
Yes, a ground-effect vehicle has better wing efficiency than an aircraft. However, it has disadvantages, like how it handles waves. A flying boat, for example, only needs to worry about the waves at the departure and arrival locations, which may be in a protected harbor or channel, while a GEV must deal with larger waves between the islands.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-effect_vehicle#Advantages_and_disadvantages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-effect_vehicle#Advantag... for additional comparisons.
> So what starts small, and touristy
I flew on a seaplane between the US and the Bahamas, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalk%27s_International_Airlines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalk%27s_International_Airlin... . It was a fun touristy thing, but not touristy enough to maintain a commercial seaplane service.
> On the environmental front I expect the usual "complain about anything new" crowd
Thing is, this isn't new. Ground effect vehicles have been around for decades, the technology is pretty mature, and the problems also pretty well known. If someone cracks that nut - great! - but a lot of people have tried and failed to extend its use outside of some niche areas. That history of failure tends to dampen enthusiasm.
> But it's hard to see how this does more environmental harm than planes or boats.
That calculation is not easy. If you want to minimize environmental harm the most, switch to sailboat. Cook used no fossil fuels to travel to and around Hawaii, and neither did the Polynesians who discovered the place.
If you want to minimize CO2 emissions, ban all inter-island flights and switch to ferries - https://ourworldindata.org/travel-carbon-footprint https://ourworldindata.org/travel-carbon-footprint says ferries emit about 1/7th of the CO2 as short-haul flights.
And there are electric ferries these days, like https://www.electrive.com/2021/03/02/worlds-largest-electric-ferry-yet-goes-into-service-in-norway/ https://www.electrive.com/2021/03/02/worlds-largest-electric... , though that's not ocean going. See https://electrek.co/2023/01/17/worlds-largest-electric-ferry-can-transport-you-and-2000-friends/ https://electrek.co/2023/01/17/worlds-largest-electric-ferry... for one in the works.
- bruce511 3y ago>> The competition for that space is seaplanes, including both floatplanes and flying boats Airplanes operate in a hostel environment where the penalty for failure is severe. The translates into a lot of (good) regulation which makes planes expensive to make, and expensive to maintain. Ground effect vehicles are more in the car/boat space when it comes to mechanical failure. Sure I'm not saying it can be made of some wire and duct tape, but the necessary mechanical standard is a -lot- lower (ie cheaper.) >> . If you want to minimize environmental harm Sure. Or stay home. There's always something better. But that wasn't the hypothesis. The statement was that its better than planes or (motor) boats. Frankly, if an electric craft is charged from solar or wind, its already as good as a sailboat.
- eesmith 3y ago> which makes planes expensive to make, and expensive to maintain Understood. Though as the comparison link mentions, there's another important cost - "limited utility has kept production levels low enough that it has been impossible to amortize development costs sufficiently to make GEVs competitive with conventional aircraft". I don't pretend to have more than a surface knowledge about topic, but when the idea has been around decades, developed and promoted for decades, and is still only a niche mode of travel (along with hovercraft, hydrofoil, and flying boats), that tells me the doubts aren't simply from those who "complain about anything new". > The statement was that its better than planes or (motor) boats. Sure. My comment was to point out how complicated the full calculation was, because it should include the electric ferries that becoming available, and not limit itself to motor boats.
- Animats 3y ago> Ground effect vehicles are more in the car/boat space when it comes to mechanical failure. Not quite. This thing depends on dynamic stability. If a wingtip touches the water at speed, it will probably flip. It has to turn without banking. So it has many of the stability and control problems of an aircraft at landing, plus some of the wave problems of a seaplane. It's not like a big, wide hovercraft, where, if you lose power, you just settle down into boat mode.
- Jemm 3y ago