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But I think from this position, I gain perspective. I think if you had any experience of being the powerless one in an employee-employer relationship you'd gai

But I think from this position, I gain perspective. I think if you had any experience of being the powerless one in an employee-employer relationship you'd gain far more perspective.

michaelochurch 15y ago
My problem with what he's saying is that it seems to me that he's extrapolating the job markets for technology in a small number of geographical areas, between 2009 and 2012, to the world in general.
dclowd9901 15y ago
While I've spoken my peace, I do want to say that I definitely have come from that place. As someone who's moved from two dying industries, I can assure you, I've spent most of my professional life under duress. And I'll never go back, even if it means switching careers again.
tomjen3 15y ago
You are never powerless, until you believe that you are. You may not be able to change your current company. But you may be able to find something else. It will properly pay less, but there are ways around that (/r/frugal, say). You may be able to get enough self-respect that you dare to stand up to your boss. My grandparents were as close as you can get to poverty without actually starving -- better not drop this piece of meat, because that is all I have and there isn't enough potatoes to make up for it -- poor. Grandpa worked his ass of getting crazy overtime to make a bit of money. Yet once when his boss became really mean he told to stop doing that shit or he would quit. He didn't exactly have much of cushion at home, but he knew that he wouldn't stand for abuse either.
- eli_gottlieb 15y ago
  Your grandfather also had a union movement, in his day.
  - tomjen3 15y ago
    Yeah, but that doesn't mean much. He could not have keept his house (which he got so cheap he had to rebuild most of it over the years) and he would still be out of a job.

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But I think from this position, I gain perspective. I think if you had any experience of being the powerless one in an employee-employer relationship you'd gai

by cageface 15y ago

But I think from this position, I gain perspective. I think if you had any experience of being the powerless one in an employee-employer relationship you'd gain far more perspective.

michaelochurch 15y ago
My problem with what he's saying is that it seems to me that he's extrapolating the job markets for technology in a small number of geographical areas, between 2009 and 2012, to the world in general.
dclowd9901 15y ago
While I've spoken my peace, I do want to say that I definitely have come from that place. As someone who's moved from two dying industries, I can assure you, I've spent most of my professional life under duress. And I'll never go back, even if it means switching careers again.
tomjen3 15y ago
You are never powerless, until you believe that you are. You may not be able to change your current company. But you may be able to find something else. It will properly pay less, but there are ways around that (/r/frugal, say). You may be able to get enough self-respect that you dare to stand up to your boss. My grandparents were as close as you can get to poverty without actually starving -- better not drop this piece of meat, because that is all I have and there isn't enough potatoes to make up for it -- poor. Grandpa worked his ass of getting crazy overtime to make a bit of money. Yet once when his boss became really mean he told to stop doing that shit or he would quit. He didn't exactly have much of cushion at home, but he knew that he wouldn't stand for abuse either.
- eli_gottlieb 15y ago
  Your grandfather also had a union movement, in his day.
  - tomjen3 15y ago
    Yeah, but that doesn't mean much. He could not have keept his house (which he got so cheap he had to rebuild most of it over the years) and he would still be out of a job.