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That's the cool thing about aligned incentives. If the plane is fucked for you, then it's fucked for the flight attendants & pilots as well.

wolverine876 3y ago
Someday, we might have remotely piloted (with AI!) commercial passenger planes. Probably it won't be accepted for a long time, but no doubt a PE-owned airline will propose it to cut employment and outsource remaining piloting to some lower-wage country, people on HN will repeat the airlines' talking point ('it only has to match the injury rate of in-person pilots!'). I hope you remember to repost your comment then.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > no doubt a PE-owned airline will propose it to cut employment and outsource remaining piloting to some lower-wage country Culture and history matter. Aviation in America is as safe as it is because the culture of piloting tends to put safety first. As long as there is general aviation and a forward-leaning FAA, I don't see a problem with automating more of air transport. > 'it only has to match the injury rate of in-person pilots!' If it does, it does. I don't see the problem.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    Nobody has even proposed it, it's not even on the horizon, and you are already arguing about it. That is 'foward-leaning'!
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Nobody has even proposed it You did! You brought up the thing you're disparaging discussing! > it's not even on the horizon Literally in alpha [1][2][3]. Would be shocked if it isn't in service by 2030 on regional routes. [1] https://www.thedronegirl.com/2023/08/18/pilotless-passenger-aircraft-boeing/ https://www.thedronegirl.com/2023/08/18/pilotless-passenger-... [2] https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-announces-major-progress-toward-boosting-new-yorks-uncrewed-aircraft-systems https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-announces-m... [3] https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-flies-quiet-electric-air-taxi-new-york-city/ https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-flies-quiet-electric-...
      - wolverine876 3y ago
        > You did! You brought up the thing you're disparaging discussing! You really took it that way? I thought it was sufficiently absurd. Apparently not to you and the people in those links.
  - jazzyjackson 3y ago
    I thought the OPs point is that safety comes out of aligned incentives and autopilot tech can be as good as you want but if there's no pilot then there's no one who cares about not dying in the same way you do, ipso facto, problems will go unresolved until they result in mass casualty
    - stavros 3y ago
      But if not caring about staying alive produces the same outcome as caring about staying alive, is there an issue?
- tim333 3y ago
  You could today outsource piloting to some cut price under trained pilots but it doesn't pay financially because crashing an airliner is expensive, in the hundreds of millions. They actually tend to hire the lowest risk pilots as it brings the insurance costs down.

wolverine876 3y ago

Someday, we might have remotely piloted (with AI!) commercial passenger planes. Probably it won't be accepted for a long time, but no doubt a PE-owned airline will propose it to cut employment and outsource remaining piloting to some lower-wage country, people on HN will repeat the airlines' talking point ('it only has to match the injury rate of in-person pilots!'). I hope you remember to repost your comment then.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> no doubt a PE-owned airline will propose it to cut employment and outsource remaining piloting to some lower-wage country Culture and history matter. Aviation in America is as safe as it is because the culture of piloting tends to put safety first. As long as there is general aviation and a forward-leaning FAA, I don't see a problem with automating more of air transport. > 'it only has to match the injury rate of in-person pilots!' If it does, it does. I don't see the problem.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  Nobody has even proposed it, it's not even on the horizon, and you are already arguing about it. That is 'foward-leaning'!
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Nobody has even proposed it You did! You brought up the thing you're disparaging discussing! > it's not even on the horizon Literally in alpha [1][2][3]. Would be shocked if it isn't in service by 2030 on regional routes. [1] https://www.thedronegirl.com/2023/08/18/pilotless-passenger-aircraft-boeing/ https://www.thedronegirl.com/2023/08/18/pilotless-passenger-... [2] https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-announces-major-progress-toward-boosting-new-yorks-uncrewed-aircraft-systems https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-announces-m... [3] https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-flies-quiet-electric-air-taxi-new-york-city/ https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-flies-quiet-electric-...
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      > You did! You brought up the thing you're disparaging discussing! You really took it that way? I thought it was sufficiently absurd. Apparently not to you and the people in those links.
- jazzyjackson 3y ago
  I thought the OPs point is that safety comes out of aligned incentives and autopilot tech can be as good as you want but if there's no pilot then there's no one who cares about not dying in the same way you do, ipso facto, problems will go unresolved until they result in mass casualty
  - stavros 3y ago
    But if not caring about staying alive produces the same outcome as caring about staying alive, is there an issue?
tim333 3y ago
You could today outsource piloting to some cut price under trained pilots but it doesn't pay financially because crashing an airliner is expensive, in the hundreds of millions. They actually tend to hire the lowest risk pilots as it brings the insurance costs down.