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Which devices don't support IPv6 at this point?

by deadbunny 3y ago

2024throwaway 3y ago
Smart sprinklers. Industrial equipment. CCTVs.
- ianburrell 3y ago
  Do those access the Czech government website?
  - 2024throwaway 3y ago
    I was speaking to sun setting IPv4 in general. That said, I have to imagine that there probably are plenty of those devices that do access Czech internal services at least.
    - ianburrell 3y ago
      IPv4 will be around for a long time. Nobody will care if it is running on internal network. Or quadruple NATed. There are enough IPv4 addresses for sites to have them. But not enough for every user.
    - nerdbert 3y ago
      > I was speaking to sun setting IPv4 in general. It's 2024 and Fidonet still works. Nobody's sunsetting IPv4. It will fade into obscurity on its own as IPv6 adoption increases and IPv4 addresses become increasingly hard to get, as it should.
  - i-use-nixos-btw 3y ago
    police knock on the door “DAD, YOUR SPRINKLERS ARE HACKING THE RECYCLING COLLECTION TIMETABLES AGAIN” (spend enough time around places like this, though, and one could easily imagine this being a thing in 2032)
- mianos 3y ago
  As an aside, I notice a lot of the recent commits to the ESP32 repo are for ipv6 fixes. It already works in the tasmota esp32 builds on devices at my place. This said, by then, maybe the core OS will not be metal, but Linux on all these device and we'll get top ipv6 support. More likely, in 2032, well have a bunch of crap, built from very old SOCs running Linux 2.4.
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  Sounds like their creators have some work to do
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  Sounds like IPv6-as-botnet-DDoS-prevention is a viable strategy! Can't get DDoS'd by the unmaintained crap if said crap doesn't even speak the required protocol!
- murphyslaw 3y ago
  Are you sure you want any of those on a public network anyway? If they're not firewalled right now then you're already in trouble.
ianburrell 3y ago
Also, it is eight years in the future. What future devices won't support IPv6? This is also about the Czech government sites removing IPv4 support. What devices that would be used to access site won't support IPv6? They all do today.
cyberax 3y ago
Plenty. Including the ones that should know better. E.g. esphome is still working on IPv6 support ( https://github.com/esphome/feature-requests/issues/718 https://github.com/esphome/feature-requests/issues/718 ). Then there's a veritable black hole of various crappy security cameras, IP phones, and WiFi printers. And they can live for a veeeeery long time. And I don't think I've ever seen a hotel network with IPv6 support. And I've actually seen a hotel (in Palo Alto) that gives out real IPv4 addresses to clients.
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Which devices don't support IPv6 at this point?

2024throwaway 3y ago

Smart sprinklers. Industrial equipment. CCTVs.

ianburrell 3y ago
Do those access the Czech government website?
- 2024throwaway 3y ago
  I was speaking to sun setting IPv4 in general. That said, I have to imagine that there probably are plenty of those devices that do access Czech internal services at least.
  - ianburrell 3y ago
    IPv4 will be around for a long time. Nobody will care if it is running on internal network. Or quadruple NATed. There are enough IPv4 addresses for sites to have them. But not enough for every user.
  - nerdbert 3y ago
    > I was speaking to sun setting IPv4 in general. It's 2024 and Fidonet still works. Nobody's sunsetting IPv4. It will fade into obscurity on its own as IPv6 adoption increases and IPv4 addresses become increasingly hard to get, as it should.
- i-use-nixos-btw 3y ago
  police knock on the door “DAD, YOUR SPRINKLERS ARE HACKING THE RECYCLING COLLECTION TIMETABLES AGAIN” (spend enough time around places like this, though, and one could easily imagine this being a thing in 2032)
mianos 3y ago
As an aside, I notice a lot of the recent commits to the ESP32 repo are for ipv6 fixes. It already works in the tasmota esp32 builds on devices at my place. This said, by then, maybe the core OS will not be metal, but Linux on all these device and we'll get top ipv6 support. More likely, in 2032, well have a bunch of crap, built from very old SOCs running Linux 2.4.
ClumsyPilot 3y ago
Sounds like their creators have some work to do
jeroenhd 3y ago
Sounds like IPv6-as-botnet-DDoS-prevention is a viable strategy! Can't get DDoS'd by the unmaintained crap if said crap doesn't even speak the required protocol!
murphyslaw 3y ago
Are you sure you want any of those on a public network anyway? If they're not firewalled right now then you're already in trouble.

ianburrell 3y ago

Also, it is eight years in the future. What future devices won't support IPv6? This is also about the Czech government sites removing IPv4 support. What devices that would be used to access site won't support IPv6? They all do today.

cyberax 3y ago

Plenty. Including the ones that should know better. E.g. esphome is still working on IPv6 support ( https://github.com/esphome/feature-requests/issues/718 https://github.com/esphome/feature-requests/issues/718 ). Then there's a veritable black hole of various crappy security cameras, IP phones, and WiFi printers. And they can live for a veeeeery long time. And I don't think I've ever seen a hotel network with IPv6 support. And I've actually seen a hotel (in Palo Alto) that gives out real IPv4 addresses to clients.

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