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> or maybe it just appears that way because these are media reported When thinking about it more, I think that is also highly likely. It many of these cases th
by hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
> or maybe it just appears that way because these are media reported
When thinking about it more, I think that is also highly likely. It many of these cases the most "famous" author is the last one on the paper, but is the first to be highlighted in the media. That is, oftentimes the work was just done in their labs but they did little more than review. But there is such pressure for those toiling in the labs to make a "big" splash that it's not hard to think that some small number of them would be willing to cheat. This line from the original blog post (https://forbetterscience.com/2024/01/02/dana-farberications-at-harvard-university/ https://forbetterscience.com/2024/01/02/dana-farberications-...) reporting on the findings is telling:
> “You should reach out to Dr. Hidde Ploegh- the first author, Dr. Boaz Tirosh was in his laboratory.”
> Well Laurie, it’s your paper, if you care about it being correct, you could very well reach out yourself!
While I agree that Laurie Glimcher should be very concerned about any research misconduct done under her authorship, I think it's premature to get out the pitchforks when there are potentially many levels of indirection here.
- theGnuMe 3y agoThey know and if they don't they should not be a co-author.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y agoBaloney. That's literally not how academic papers work in any part of the world. At some point you need to be able to trust your co-authors aren't lying. For example, co-authors of Francesca Gino (the Harvard Biz School prof accused of falsifying data) had to start a project, https://manycoauthors.org/ https://manycoauthors.org/, to essentially compare notes. I'd also consider some of these co-authors victims here. To be clear, I'm not saying any of the authors get a free pass, but different authors have vastly different levels of culpability.