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>> I‘m rather at the beginning of my career, but feel like personal growth, enjoyment and satisfaction with the work is much higher when I go to the office and

>> I‘m rather at the beginning of my career, but feel like personal growth, enjoyment and satisfaction with the work is much higher when I go to the office and when my colleagues do the same I had a fast-growing career trajectory and it was definitely due to the magic of working in close quarters with my co-workers and especially bosses and mentors. That was 20+yrs ago. I do wonder how that would work now -- I go into the office and i'm on Zoom calls for 6hrs of the 8 or 9hrs. The Zoom calls are with overseas team members. Even the folks in the office on the same call are on Zoom, each of us in separate rooms to prevent microphone reverb. It feels nothing like the magic of 20yrs ago when we were all elbow-to-elbow in war rooms. I think RTO makes sense, but we need a lot of breakout conference rooms. We also need to be opinionated about scheduling meetings so there is actual facetime IRL rather than just facetime via Zoom while in office.

mgerdts 3y ago
> That was 20+yrs ago. I do wonder how that would work now -- I go into the office and i'm on Zoom calls for 6hrs of the 8 or 9hrs. The Zoom calls are with overseas team members. > Even the folks in the office on the same call are on Zoom, each of us in separate rooms to prevent microphone reverb. It feels nothing like the magic of 20yrs ago when we were all elbow-to-elbow in war rooms. That sounds like my life at GE. I worked there 2002 - 2010.
opportune 3y ago
Conversely, I grew quickly over the pandemic because using a lot of written communication played to my strengths. I never learned much from my seniors. Being remote made it so I could create a working environment more conducive to concentration and fully develop self-sufficiency when it came to learning skills and solving problems. With RTO I’ve found that people are communicating a lot less over chats/docs, but not communicating well in person either because half of the people are remote or in other offices. Personally I believe we need to all be remote or all on-site for things to work properly.
- datadrivenangel 3y ago
  Hybrid triples your communication surface, but people typically only think it doubles the surface. Hence why the communication sucks.
antisthenes 3y ago
> magic of 20yrs ago when we were all elbow-to-elbow in war rooms Yeah, I also like to reminisce of my youth, playing video in LAN centers and having endless energy to go do pointless things like commute in traffic, and have nearly 0 responsibilities outside of taking care of myself (which is easy when you have a young and fit body). This is completely orthogonal to the pros and cons of RTO though.

mgerdts 3y ago

> That was 20+yrs ago. I do wonder how that would work now -- I go into the office and i'm on Zoom calls for 6hrs of the 8 or 9hrs. The Zoom calls are with overseas team members. > Even the folks in the office on the same call are on Zoom, each of us in separate rooms to prevent microphone reverb. It feels nothing like the magic of 20yrs ago when we were all elbow-to-elbow in war rooms. That sounds like my life at GE. I worked there 2002 - 2010.

opportune 3y ago

Conversely, I grew quickly over the pandemic because using a lot of written communication played to my strengths. I never learned much from my seniors. Being remote made it so I could create a working environment more conducive to concentration and fully develop self-sufficiency when it came to learning skills and solving problems. With RTO I’ve found that people are communicating a lot less over chats/docs, but not communicating well in person either because half of the people are remote or in other offices. Personally I believe we need to all be remote or all on-site for things to work properly.

datadrivenangel 3y ago
Hybrid triples your communication surface, but people typically only think it doubles the surface. Hence why the communication sucks.

antisthenes 3y ago

> magic of 20yrs ago when we were all elbow-to-elbow in war rooms Yeah, I also like to reminisce of my youth, playing video in LAN centers and having endless energy to go do pointless things like commute in traffic, and have nearly 0 responsibilities outside of taking care of myself (which is easy when you have a young and fit body). This is completely orthogonal to the pros and cons of RTO though.