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"as traffic to the site has declined" "X's advertising revenue has plunged" are these statements that can be made without citation?

wahnfrieden 3y ago
are you contesting that, or complaining that mainstream news doesn't include citation links for every fact they reference from previous reporting? both statements have been widely reported
- _ea1k 3y ago
  Probably a little of both, tbh. The first statement seems to be a fairly extraordinary claim to present without evidence. TBH, I don't need a citation for every fact, but I'd like a little more for things where they cannot be directly observed. And I'd like a lot less news laundering, but that's a whole different subject at this point.
- jazzyjackson 3y ago
  I don't read about X very often so I was just surprised to see stats that I assumed would be internal to the company stated as fact. It was an honest question. It would be cool if news articles had citations linking to previous reporting but I realize that's expecting too much.
parl_match 3y ago
These statements are so widely researched, cited, and have been true for so long that it is no longer some ambiguous statement. It is fact, cemented in reality. It is the best kind of common sense - true and widely understood.
- _ea1k 3y ago
  While the company claims that ad revenue is declining, they dispute the declines in traffic. That makes it debatable at best. Common sense is not a good source for website and app analytics.
- mjfl 3y ago
  certainly ad revenue, due to ADL driven boycott, but not as clear to me that traffic has declined.
threeseed 3y ago
In September, global web traffic to twitter.com was down -14%, year-over-year. [1] In July, Mr Musk said ad revenues had dropped by 50%. [2] Situation today is likely far worse. Also, Fidelity has rated the value of its investment in Twitter/X as -72%. [1] https://au.pcmag.com/social-media/102174/twitter-traffic-on-downward-trend-since-elon-musks-takeover https://au.pcmag.com/social-media/102174/twitter-traffic-on-... [2] https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/elon-musk-s-x-in-political-advertising-push-to-offset-revenue-falls-20231220-p5esto https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/elon-musk-...

wahnfrieden 3y ago

are you contesting that, or complaining that mainstream news doesn't include citation links for every fact they reference from previous reporting? both statements have been widely reported

_ea1k 3y ago
Probably a little of both, tbh. The first statement seems to be a fairly extraordinary claim to present without evidence. TBH, I don't need a citation for every fact, but I'd like a little more for things where they cannot be directly observed. And I'd like a lot less news laundering, but that's a whole different subject at this point.
jazzyjackson 3y ago
I don't read about X very often so I was just surprised to see stats that I assumed would be internal to the company stated as fact. It was an honest question. It would be cool if news articles had citations linking to previous reporting but I realize that's expecting too much.

parl_match 3y ago

These statements are so widely researched, cited, and have been true for so long that it is no longer some ambiguous statement. It is fact, cemented in reality. It is the best kind of common sense - true and widely understood.

_ea1k 3y ago
While the company claims that ad revenue is declining, they dispute the declines in traffic. That makes it debatable at best. Common sense is not a good source for website and app analytics.
mjfl 3y ago
certainly ad revenue, due to ADL driven boycott, but not as clear to me that traffic has declined.

threeseed 3y ago

In September, global web traffic to twitter.com was down -14%, year-over-year. [1] In July, Mr Musk said ad revenues had dropped by 50%. [2] Situation today is likely far worse. Also, Fidelity has rated the value of its investment in Twitter/X as -72%. [1] https://au.pcmag.com/social-media/102174/twitter-traffic-on-downward-trend-since-elon-musks-takeover https://au.pcmag.com/social-media/102174/twitter-traffic-on-... [2] https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/elon-musk-s-x-in-political-advertising-push-to-offset-revenue-falls-20231220-p5esto https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/elon-musk-...