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If Right to Repair was about the Right to Save Money rather than guaranteeing basic consumer rights, the advocates should have specified as such. I have no sym

If Right to Repair was about the Right to Save Money rather than guaranteeing basic consumer rights, the advocates should have specified as such. I have no sympathy for misrepresented idealogies, let alone ones driven by greed (in this case consumer greed). Y'all got your Right to Repair guaranteed, nowhere did it stipulate that had to be below <X> cost.

kayodelycaon 3y ago
Yeah but I don’t think it’s reasonable for replacement parts to cost nearly as much as a new device unless those parts do make up a substantial of the manufacture cost. Making repair more expensive than buying new defeats the purpose of repair.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  The purpose of repair is to reduce waste and guarantee a consumer's right to do with his things as he pleases. Saving some money by repairing is certainly nice, but that is a side effect and not the primary objective.
  - kayodelycaon 3y ago
    I think my point was having the repair being more expensive than new would defeat the goal of reducing waste.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      What? Why would an expensive repair "defeat the goal" of reducing waste? I am repairing it, there is no waste produced.
- trealira 3y ago
  It can also just be for preservation purposes. A lot of old game consoles are dying, and so are CRT televisions (which just aren't manufactured anymore). Enthusiasts would want both of these to be repairable so that old games can be played forever (but AFAIK, only CRTs are actually repairable). The supply of both of them are shrinking, so only repairability would help their longevity. I guess that also ties into how long the guarantee of repairability should last. Nothing lasts forever; at some point, the parts to make the technology may stop being manufactured and sold.
  - kayodelycaon 3y ago
    I guess I made the assumption that preservation wouldn't be a viable use case given the parts may longer be available shortly after a device stopped being manufactured.
Buttons840 3y ago
Okay, so why not stipulate that parts need to be available at a reasonable price?
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  Do you mean reasonable as in "Here is cost of manufacture, our margin for selling this to you, plus any other costs incurred." or "We want cheap and we want it now!"? Personally, as someone who appreciates having the possibility to repair something, I'm happy so long as I can buy first-party parts at all. If I want or need to repair something, the cost is ultimately irrelevant.
  - Buttons840 3y ago
    The first. I can't see how the part would cost more than the whole with the first regulations.
    - TeMPOraL 3y ago
      Logistics, unfortunately. Assembling and selling a million washing machines is simple and streamlined. Keeping track of parts for them, when you're building 30 very similar but oh slightly different models of the same washing machine to fuck over your customers (er, segment market) - well, now that becomes a Hard and Expensive problem.
a2128 3y ago
Right to Repair is about enabling owners of devices to get their devices repaired, instead of being stuck with the choice of throwing it away and buying a new one. If the manufacturers set the price of spare parts so unreasonably high that repairing is more expensive than buying a new one, then in practice people are still stuck with the choice of throwing it away and buying a new one. I personally had an experience with a device that costed $300 and would often go on sale for as low as $100. It depended on a cable that broke after a few years. They did sell replacement cables on a difficult-to-navigate website that only ships to US(?), except it costed over $100. It's just a bundle of wires with a proprietary connector on one end. Was my right to repair guaranteed? Sure, I could've bought a cable allegedly worth as much as the device. Even if the cable was not sold, I just as well could've hired someone to reverse engineer the connector and assemble a new cable. I fail to see how right to repair is guaranteed in a reasonable manner though.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  The fact that a spare or replacement part might be or is expensive does not inhibit my ability to repair something. Are the parts required to repair something available for me to obtain or purchase? If yes, then my Right to Repair has been assured.

kayodelycaon 3y ago

Yeah but I don’t think it’s reasonable for replacement parts to cost nearly as much as a new device unless those parts do make up a substantial of the manufacture cost. Making repair more expensive than buying new defeats the purpose of repair.

Dalewyn 3y ago
The purpose of repair is to reduce waste and guarantee a consumer's right to do with his things as he pleases. Saving some money by repairing is certainly nice, but that is a side effect and not the primary objective.
- kayodelycaon 3y ago
  I think my point was having the repair being more expensive than new would defeat the goal of reducing waste.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    What? Why would an expensive repair "defeat the goal" of reducing waste? I am repairing it, there is no waste produced.
trealira 3y ago
It can also just be for preservation purposes. A lot of old game consoles are dying, and so are CRT televisions (which just aren't manufactured anymore). Enthusiasts would want both of these to be repairable so that old games can be played forever (but AFAIK, only CRTs are actually repairable). The supply of both of them are shrinking, so only repairability would help their longevity. I guess that also ties into how long the guarantee of repairability should last. Nothing lasts forever; at some point, the parts to make the technology may stop being manufactured and sold.
- kayodelycaon 3y ago
  I guess I made the assumption that preservation wouldn't be a viable use case given the parts may longer be available shortly after a device stopped being manufactured.

Buttons840 3y ago

Okay, so why not stipulate that parts need to be available at a reasonable price?

Dalewyn 3y ago
Do you mean reasonable as in "Here is cost of manufacture, our margin for selling this to you, plus any other costs incurred." or "We want cheap and we want it now!"? Personally, as someone who appreciates having the possibility to repair something, I'm happy so long as I can buy first-party parts at all. If I want or need to repair something, the cost is ultimately irrelevant.
- Buttons840 3y ago
  The first. I can't see how the part would cost more than the whole with the first regulations.
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    Logistics, unfortunately. Assembling and selling a million washing machines is simple and streamlined. Keeping track of parts for them, when you're building 30 very similar but oh slightly different models of the same washing machine to fuck over your customers (er, segment market) - well, now that becomes a Hard and Expensive problem.

a2128 3y ago

Right to Repair is about enabling owners of devices to get their devices repaired, instead of being stuck with the choice of throwing it away and buying a new one. If the manufacturers set the price of spare parts so unreasonably high that repairing is more expensive than buying a new one, then in practice people are still stuck with the choice of throwing it away and buying a new one. I personally had an experience with a device that costed $300 and would often go on sale for as low as $100. It depended on a cable that broke after a few years. They did sell replacement cables on a difficult-to-navigate website that only ships to US(?), except it costed over $100. It's just a bundle of wires with a proprietary connector on one end. Was my right to repair guaranteed? Sure, I could've bought a cable allegedly worth as much as the device. Even if the cable was not sold, I just as well could've hired someone to reverse engineer the connector and assemble a new cable. I fail to see how right to repair is guaranteed in a reasonable manner though.

Dalewyn 3y ago
The fact that a spare or replacement part might be or is expensive does not inhibit my ability to repair something. Are the parts required to repair something available for me to obtain or purchase? If yes, then my Right to Repair has been assured.