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Really? There have been plenty of high-profile crashes due to weird Airbus design decisions. I'm thinking of this one primarily: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Really? There have been plenty of high-profile crashes due to weird Airbus design decisions. I'm thinking of this one primarily: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447 >>Confused, Bonin exclaimed, "I don't have control of the airplane any more now", and two seconds later, "I don't have control of the airplane at all!"[43] Robert responded to this by saying, "controls to the left", and took over control of the aircraft.[84][45] He pushed his side-stick forward to lower the nose and recover from the stall; however, Bonin was still pulling his side-stick back. The inputs cancelled each other out and triggered an audible "dual input" warning.<<

extractionmech 3y ago
There appears to be a manufacturing issue at Boeing. Missing bolts is not a design matter.
inferiorhuman 3y ago
Airbus made some design decisions that, in hindsight, weren't great but the side sticks aren't one of them. The captain should have locked out the other controls but didn't. As Air France proved a couple years ago, even force feedback in the controls won't fix the problem of two pilots providing separate inputs and not communicating.
sph 3y ago
AF447 was clearly human error, not mechanical nor Airbus' fault. It was not because of bolts that were not tightened enough.
atoav 3y ago
There is a huge difference between a failure due to a bad design detail (can be checked for and corrected typically) and an okay design with bad manufacturing (the problem could be literally everywhere). In the worst case you might even have to disassemble and reassemble the whole plane to really make sure you are not sitting on a ticking timebomb. And this might not be straightforward given the amount of glue involved in modern airplanes.
- tobinfricke 3y ago
  Of "good design with shoddy implementation" and "bad design with good implementation" - I'm not sure which is worse
  - atoav 3y ago
    Would you rather fly A) in the play where ten screws were misdesigned and later fixed or B) in the plane where the design was okay, but a unknown number of screws are missing, loose or wrong although there was a check?

extractionmech 3y ago

There appears to be a manufacturing issue at Boeing. Missing bolts is not a design matter.

inferiorhuman 3y ago

Airbus made some design decisions that, in hindsight, weren't great but the side sticks aren't one of them. The captain should have locked out the other controls but didn't. As Air France proved a couple years ago, even force feedback in the controls won't fix the problem of two pilots providing separate inputs and not communicating.

sph 3y ago

AF447 was clearly human error, not mechanical nor Airbus' fault. It was not because of bolts that were not tightened enough.

atoav 3y ago

There is a huge difference between a failure due to a bad design detail (can be checked for and corrected typically) and an okay design with bad manufacturing (the problem could be literally everywhere). In the worst case you might even have to disassemble and reassemble the whole plane to really make sure you are not sitting on a ticking timebomb. And this might not be straightforward given the amount of glue involved in modern airplanes.

tobinfricke 3y ago
Of "good design with shoddy implementation" and "bad design with good implementation" - I'm not sure which is worse
- atoav 3y ago
  Would you rather fly A) in the play where ten screws were misdesigned and later fixed or B) in the plane where the design was okay, but a unknown number of screws are missing, loose or wrong although there was a check?