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The CCB is ~6k/year cash. That's not healthcare. It's means tested, but bigger than the $50/mo baby bonus my mom got in the 70s. And 1 full year (combined) f

by michael1999 3y ago

The CCB is ~6k/year cash. That's not healthcare. It's means tested, but bigger than the $50/mo baby bonus my mom got in the 70s. And 1 full year (combined) for maternity and paternity is much more than the US. I would say it in reverse: BECAUSE 40 years of trying to raise TFR has absolutely failed in every advanced nation on the planet, Canada has chosen immigration as the only practical path. Or you tell me - is there somewhere you think we should copy? Or are you just blaming 40 years of Canadian government for a global phenomenon? The ex-Soviet states have had some recent gains, but those look more like a rebound from the total collapse of the 80s. And they are all stabilizing around the new-normal 1.8. I don't think there are any lessons there. Hungary has struggled to recover from the post-Soviet low of 1.3, and has almost reached the might peak of 1.6! https://ifstudies.org/blog/a-new-normal-an-updated-look-at-fertility-trends-across-the-globe https://ifstudies.org/blog/a-new-normal-an-updated-look-at-f...

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
> Hungary has struggled to recover from the post-Soviet low of 1.3, and has almost reached the might peak of 1.6! Dead cat bounce. Will be below 1.0 within a decade or two. Little girls who grow up watching all the adult women around them have few or no children don't suddenly get it in their heads that they want a large family. The rate of decline will only accelerate.
- hollerith 3y ago
  Until the government bans birth control.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
    Yeh, that'll do it. It's totally impossible to avoid having children if the condoms are pulled off the shelf at the local gas station.
goodSteveramos 3y ago
>is fully exhausted at $25,921 of earned income Almost nobody except really poor people get this credit and its only $6000 in an entire year. Do you expect that to increase birth rates across the whole population?
- michael1999 3y ago
  I don't expect anything to change birth rates across the whole population. I'm asserting that nobody on the planet has that one figured out. The last 40 years are a long tale of repeated global failure to push on a string, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Canada. I'm hoping you have a counter example.
  - goodSteveramos 3y ago
    So because no major country has solved this problem (except hungry which doesnt count because... reasons) then you oppose doing anything more than what has already been tried? Could that argument be used to oppose climate change action? Or literally any problem? You’re argument is logically invalid.
    - michael1999 3y ago
      I oppose nothing, except your sloppy claim that "nothing" has been tried. Lots of things have been tried, and they failed. 40 years of failure from Seoul to San Francisco. That's not the same as not trying. Please, enlighten me on your plan to raise birth rates.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

> Hungary has struggled to recover from the post-Soviet low of 1.3, and has almost reached the might peak of 1.6! Dead cat bounce. Will be below 1.0 within a decade or two. Little girls who grow up watching all the adult women around them have few or no children don't suddenly get it in their heads that they want a large family. The rate of decline will only accelerate.

hollerith 3y ago
Until the government bans birth control.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  Yeh, that'll do it. It's totally impossible to avoid having children if the condoms are pulled off the shelf at the local gas station.

goodSteveramos 3y ago

>is fully exhausted at $25,921 of earned income Almost nobody except really poor people get this credit and its only $6000 in an entire year. Do you expect that to increase birth rates across the whole population?

michael1999 3y ago
I don't expect anything to change birth rates across the whole population. I'm asserting that nobody on the planet has that one figured out. The last 40 years are a long tale of repeated global failure to push on a string, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Canada. I'm hoping you have a counter example.
- goodSteveramos 3y ago
  So because no major country has solved this problem (except hungry which doesnt count because... reasons) then you oppose doing anything more than what has already been tried? Could that argument be used to oppose climate change action? Or literally any problem? You’re argument is logically invalid.
  - michael1999 3y ago
    I oppose nothing, except your sloppy claim that "nothing" has been tried. Lots of things have been tried, and they failed. 40 years of failure from Seoul to San Francisco. That's not the same as not trying. Please, enlighten me on your plan to raise birth rates.