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I would say that moving the phone from the place I left it would promote it from "lost" to "stolen". Can you now envision a conversation between this passenger

I would say that moving the phone from the place I left it would promote it from "lost" to "stolen". Can you now envision a conversation between this passenger and the pharmacy clerk: "I found this phone in some car" "What do you want me to do about it?" "Hold on to it until some guy I don't know comes to claim it?" "We don't want this personal property! Go away!" [Waymo car is gone now] [Passenger absconds with phone or throws it away] [Owner is no longer able to track or retrieve phone]

kemayo 3y ago
You're overthinking it; it'd just be "I found this phone". They don't need to give the backstory. Most businesses will hold onto valuable lost property for a while, on the assumption that a customer dropped something. > I would say that moving the phone from the place I left it would promote it from "lost" to "stolen". A really key element here is that they offered to help you out by leaving it there for you, so I don't see how "stolen" would come in to it...
rezonant 3y ago
Moving the phone from the place it was left with consent of the owner is not theft. And it's not that crazy to leave lost property with a nearby business (presumably a trusted one)- sure they could say no but then you could just find another way to return the device. Also why would you not be able to track it any more if they left it at the pharmacy, it's not like the Find My Device feature only works in Waymos. I guess you just mean due to the sequencing of wiping before noticing the text message?
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  > Moving the phone from the place it was left with consent of the owner is not theft. Tell me more about how I somehow gave consent to that. Also, tell me more about how a stranger holding a random found device authenticates a caller as the owner of said device.
  - pc86 3y ago
    Unnecessarily rude and combative reply. The GP is clearly talking about the hypothetical scenario where you consent to her leaving it at a pharmacy - which certainly makes a lot more sense than just leaving it in a car. You said she offered to leave it at a pharmacy. Then didn't. So it doesn't seem likely she was going to do anything without thinking she was allowed to.
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      > which certainly makes a lot more sense than just leaving it in a car. Why? I am a Waymo customer. I left it in the car, and so the service has a policy to collect the item and return it to their customer. Some random store where I don't go, all bets are off. I was able to contact Waymo and discuss the lost item and they were able to recover it because it was left in the car. That is a success. I was also able to retrieve the item from their Depot because their Lost & Found process works. That is a 100% success. It was unclear in my original comment, but the passenger's offer to leave it at a pharmacy was in a text message to my emergency contact, who didn't reply. I heard about that bit after-the-fact. All I told the passenger, repeatedly, was, "please leave it where you found it in the car" because Waymo would be able to work that out with me, a customer. A few months ago, I lost the front door key to my apartment. The leasing office was closing in 5 minutes. I needed a loaner key, and I had no ID. I offered to leave my phone (one in the same) as collateral. They were extremely reluctant to be holding on to that instead of an ID. They said they'd make a one-time exception. Phones are not really things that strangers like to hold on to, in case you've not noticed. If you are admitted to a hospital or jail or something, they get really jumpy about putting your electronics in a locker. Partly having to do with the likelihood of fire or explosion, the volume and value of personal data on those things, and their trackability. The best course of action for a lost device is you leave it where you found it, because that's the owner's best hope of retracing their path and finding it again.
      - pc86 3y ago
        I'm glad it worked out in this occasion - it's definitely a success and a credit to both Waymo's processes and also the n people who were in the car after you and didn't steal it. But it just as easily could have disappeared after this woman offered to put it in a more secure location (in the hands of an employee at a business is more secure than a car that can be accessed by essentially anyone at any time).
pc86 3y ago
Honestly I can't envision that conversation happening between two real people. What is much, much more likely to actually happen in my experience: "I found this phone." "Ok." takes it You go in later "I lost my phone, do you have it here?" and they hand it to you. For particularly fastidious store clerks they may ask you to describe it before handing it over. And you likely have to wait while whoever you ask asks all the other employees if they found a phone. It's not clear to me that letting the phone just sort of drift through the ether toward the Waymo Depot while who knows how many other passengers use the car is any better than putting the phone at some other fixed location behind at least some cursory level of security.

kemayo 3y ago

You're overthinking it; it'd just be "I found this phone". They don't need to give the backstory. Most businesses will hold onto valuable lost property for a while, on the assumption that a customer dropped something. > I would say that moving the phone from the place I left it would promote it from "lost" to "stolen". A really key element here is that they offered to help you out by leaving it there for you, so I don't see how "stolen" would come in to it...

rezonant 3y ago

Moving the phone from the place it was left with consent of the owner is not theft. And it's not that crazy to leave lost property with a nearby business (presumably a trusted one)- sure they could say no but then you could just find another way to return the device. Also why would you not be able to track it any more if they left it at the pharmacy, it's not like the Find My Device feature only works in Waymos. I guess you just mean due to the sequencing of wiping before noticing the text message?

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
> Moving the phone from the place it was left with consent of the owner is not theft. Tell me more about how I somehow gave consent to that. Also, tell me more about how a stranger holding a random found device authenticates a caller as the owner of said device.
- pc86 3y ago
  Unnecessarily rude and combative reply. The GP is clearly talking about the hypothetical scenario where you consent to her leaving it at a pharmacy - which certainly makes a lot more sense than just leaving it in a car. You said she offered to leave it at a pharmacy. Then didn't. So it doesn't seem likely she was going to do anything without thinking she was allowed to.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    > which certainly makes a lot more sense than just leaving it in a car. Why? I am a Waymo customer. I left it in the car, and so the service has a policy to collect the item and return it to their customer. Some random store where I don't go, all bets are off. I was able to contact Waymo and discuss the lost item and they were able to recover it because it was left in the car. That is a success. I was also able to retrieve the item from their Depot because their Lost & Found process works. That is a 100% success. It was unclear in my original comment, but the passenger's offer to leave it at a pharmacy was in a text message to my emergency contact, who didn't reply. I heard about that bit after-the-fact. All I told the passenger, repeatedly, was, "please leave it where you found it in the car" because Waymo would be able to work that out with me, a customer. A few months ago, I lost the front door key to my apartment. The leasing office was closing in 5 minutes. I needed a loaner key, and I had no ID. I offered to leave my phone (one in the same) as collateral. They were extremely reluctant to be holding on to that instead of an ID. They said they'd make a one-time exception. Phones are not really things that strangers like to hold on to, in case you've not noticed. If you are admitted to a hospital or jail or something, they get really jumpy about putting your electronics in a locker. Partly having to do with the likelihood of fire or explosion, the volume and value of personal data on those things, and their trackability. The best course of action for a lost device is you leave it where you found it, because that's the owner's best hope of retracing their path and finding it again.
    - pc86 3y ago
      I'm glad it worked out in this occasion - it's definitely a success and a credit to both Waymo's processes and also the n people who were in the car after you and didn't steal it. But it just as easily could have disappeared after this woman offered to put it in a more secure location (in the hands of an employee at a business is more secure than a car that can be accessed by essentially anyone at any time).

pc86 3y ago

Honestly I can't envision that conversation happening between two real people. What is much, much more likely to actually happen in my experience: "I found this phone." "Ok." takes it You go in later "I lost my phone, do you have it here?" and they hand it to you. For particularly fastidious store clerks they may ask you to describe it before handing it over. And you likely have to wait while whoever you ask asks all the other employees if they found a phone. It's not clear to me that letting the phone just sort of drift through the ether toward the Waymo Depot while who knows how many other passengers use the car is any better than putting the phone at some other fixed location behind at least some cursory level of security.