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> Not only that, but it also provides links to non-copyright infringing material. Eg: Some of Nine Inch Nails recent releases have been legally made available o

by VMG 15y ago

> Not only that, but it also provides links to non-copyright infringing material. Eg: Some of Nine Inch Nails recent releases have been legally made available over bittorrent in 24/96 high quality. I don't understand that argument - who ever claimed that TPB only has infringing material? > According to wikipedia, TPB earnings in 2006 were $102,035.05 US, and expenses in 2009 were $112,590.40 US (couldn't find data for the same year) but they can't be making a huge amount of profit on those margins. Weird that they don't publish the numbers themselves. I wonder what the reason might be...

driverdan 15y ago
> Weird that they don't publish the numbers themselves. I wonder what the reason might be... They're a private company. They're under no obligation to provide the public with their financial data.
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- VMG 15y ago
  > They're a private company For-Profit?
  - drucken 15y ago
    "The Pirate Bay was started by the swedish anti copyright organization Piratbyrån in the late 2003, but in October 2004 it separated became run by dedicated individuals. In 2006 the site changed it's ownership yet again. Today the site is run by an organisation rather than individuals, though as a non-profit. The organisation is registered in the Seychelles and can be contacted using the contact form." https://thepiratebay.se/about https://thepiratebay.se/about
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    - VMG 15y ago
      So we just have to trust them that it is non-profit since they don't actually want to be transparent about their income and expenses. I don't buy it.
  - benologist 15y ago
    How do you not profit off BILLIONS of ad impressions a month? I can understand some other website believing TPB's a penniless, selfless endeavor but people here should be able to translate "top 100 website" and "multiple ads per page" into more than just operating expenses. It's not like they're YouTube serving terabytes of traffic a second, they also have no support, no shipping, and of course they sure don't have any expense producing content.
    - Cushman 15y ago
      By serving BILLIONS of pages a month, presumably.
    - fromhet 15y ago
      Especially since they don't even have to host any big amounts of data, neither transmit it. Only have lots of links.
    - sp332 15y ago
      There's content on that site that no advertiser wants to be associated with, that's why.
      - robryan 15y ago
        You would probably get a terrible conversion rate to given most people are visiting the site so they don't have to pay for things.
  - paulhauggis 15y ago
    Although they are technically a non-profit, the people that run it are probably getting nice salaries off of the hard work of others.
    - ekianjo 15y ago
      The same can be said for any merchant: selling the work of others without creating anything yourself. If this makes you scream, you should be very angry at supermarkets.
      - PaperclipTaken 15y ago
        Expanding on that idea, our entire economy is based off of people profiting from the works of others. Sales places like Wal-Mart profit off of the products produced by factories (assume for a moment that Wal-Mart doesn't own these factories). These factories profit by producing things invented by people who most likely don't take any part in the ownership of the factory. The difference between these types of people (the merchants, builders, etc.) and the Pirate Bay is that the merchants give a portion of their profit back to the people that they are profiting off of. The Pirate Bay does not pay a single penny to the owners of the music that they dispense.
        pessimizer 15y ago
        Merchants don't pay for their goods as a proportion of their profit. Unless you mean streaming music and movie services, which for some reason get to be a special case.
        ekianjo 15y ago
        Yeah, but at the same time, there is an added value provided by the TPB: it indirectly promotes creators through their distribution channel, thus raising their awareness and popularity, just like Radio. It's not a zero sum game. That's why there are also a number of artists in favor of P2P networks, because they clearly see a way to increase their exposure and therefore grow their audience.
      - 15y ago

by VMG 15y ago

driverdan 15y ago

> Weird that they don't publish the numbers themselves. I wonder what the reason might be... They're a private company. They're under no obligation to provide the public with their financial data.

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VMG 15y ago
> They're a private company For-Profit?
- drucken 15y ago
  "The Pirate Bay was started by the swedish anti copyright organization Piratbyrån in the late 2003, but in October 2004 it separated became run by dedicated individuals. In 2006 the site changed it's ownership yet again. Today the site is run by an organisation rather than individuals, though as a non-profit. The organisation is registered in the Seychelles and can be contacted using the contact form." https://thepiratebay.se/about https://thepiratebay.se/about
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  - VMG 15y ago
    So we just have to trust them that it is non-profit since they don't actually want to be transparent about their income and expenses. I don't buy it.
- benologist 15y ago
  How do you not profit off BILLIONS of ad impressions a month? I can understand some other website believing TPB's a penniless, selfless endeavor but people here should be able to translate "top 100 website" and "multiple ads per page" into more than just operating expenses. It's not like they're YouTube serving terabytes of traffic a second, they also have no support, no shipping, and of course they sure don't have any expense producing content.
  - Cushman 15y ago
    By serving BILLIONS of pages a month, presumably.
  - fromhet 15y ago
    Especially since they don't even have to host any big amounts of data, neither transmit it. Only have lots of links.
  - sp332 15y ago
    There's content on that site that no advertiser wants to be associated with, that's why.
    - robryan 15y ago
      You would probably get a terrible conversion rate to given most people are visiting the site so they don't have to pay for things.
- paulhauggis 15y ago
  Although they are technically a non-profit, the people that run it are probably getting nice salaries off of the hard work of others.
  - ekianjo 15y ago
    The same can be said for any merchant: selling the work of others without creating anything yourself. If this makes you scream, you should be very angry at supermarkets.
    - PaperclipTaken 15y ago
      Expanding on that idea, our entire economy is based off of people profiting from the works of others. Sales places like Wal-Mart profit off of the products produced by factories (assume for a moment that Wal-Mart doesn't own these factories). These factories profit by producing things invented by people who most likely don't take any part in the ownership of the factory. The difference between these types of people (the merchants, builders, etc.) and the Pirate Bay is that the merchants give a portion of their profit back to the people that they are profiting off of. The Pirate Bay does not pay a single penny to the owners of the music that they dispense.
      - pessimizer 15y ago
        Merchants don't pay for their goods as a proportion of their profit. Unless you mean streaming music and movie services, which for some reason get to be a special case.
      - ekianjo 15y ago
        Yeah, but at the same time, there is an added value provided by the TPB: it indirectly promotes creators through their distribution channel, thus raising their awareness and popularity, just like Radio. It's not a zero sum game. That's why there are also a number of artists in favor of P2P networks, because they clearly see a way to increase their exposure and therefore grow their audience.
    - 15y ago