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>Librem and PinePhone exist as Linux phones, then there is GrapheneOS if you want to stay with Android These are very lazy solutions to the problems technology

by max_ 3y ago

>Librem and PinePhone exist as Linux phones, then there is GrapheneOS if you want to stay with Android These are very lazy solutions to the problems technology has today. We need a complete overhaul. Rewrite Operating Systems that satisfy these agendas. There are very many people that care. They just don't have good solutions yet.

worksonmine 3y ago
> These are very lazy solutions to the problems technology has today. We need a complete overhaul. Rewrite Operating Systems that satisfy these agendas. Elaborate please, you can install any distribution you want on the Linux solutions. Have you used one? What are your gripes exactly? Would Stallman (your example) have the same? They are completely fine for my use except banking/identifying myself online. I can use web for banks but not for the 2FA solutions banks in my country use. Graphene however can if I turn on a Google profile. It's not perfect but it works.
- max_ 3y ago
  Unfortunately I don't have enough time to fully list all the problems we have with modern computer/smartphone technology, But they are just too many. It's not just the about having Linux. There are all kinds of problems around. But here are my main concerns. - The lack of an easy way to know what all programs on your phone are exactly doing; - Sensible application permissions. (I just want to share 1 photo but somehow the application has access to my entire disk/folder?) Projects like Grapheme seem to just lock down the software completely and make it unusable for all kinds of use cases
  - worksonmine 3y ago
    You claim that you want solutions for: > - The lack of an easy way to know what all programs on your phone are exactly doing; > - Sensible application permissions. (I just want to share 1 photo but somehow the application has access to my entire disk/folder?) Yet when Graphene (and Flatpak etc) locks everything down and makes dangerous permissions opt-in it's also a problem: > Projects like Grapheme seem to just lock down the software completely and make it unusable for all kinds of use cases If you want per file permissions that can also be implemented with tools that exist today. For the photo example I usually just copy the image rather than uploading from disk, clipboard access however is another security issue. What would a solution you can accept look like? I agree a fresh OS would be nice but there are solutions to every problem you mention. Even old hardware without binaries are possible for the truly paranoid. It's not perfect but you have to be pragmatic. I think I've made my point that free software didn't really fail. Is it perfect? Absolutely not, but neither was electricity in the 1800s or even today. Did electricity fail?
    - max_ 3y ago
      > I think I've made my point that free software didn't really fail Yes it didn't fail completely. (It was exaggerating to some point) The solutions do exist. But they are scattered & un-integrated into a well oiled out of the box solution that are accessible. What I am just saying is that we need an intellectual cross breed between Steve Jobs & Stallman. That will know how to marry the principles of free software with general consumer satisfaction (UX et al). The free software movement does have some achievements. I would however call it a success if it it was used by the majority as a default and not just a small group of fanatics.
      - worksonmine 3y ago
        I think we're getting there. It took us centuries to get from the first car to a self-driving one. With RISC-V devices coming one after another combined with the minimal locked down immutable OS space I'm optimistic. A completely free and open source phone with off the shelf parts and a software stack you can compile yourself is around the corner. Don't call us fanatics, we're the early adopters shaping the UX you're too busy complaining about to help improve. :)

by max_ 3y ago

worksonmine 3y ago

> These are very lazy solutions to the problems technology has today. We need a complete overhaul. Rewrite Operating Systems that satisfy these agendas. Elaborate please, you can install any distribution you want on the Linux solutions. Have you used one? What are your gripes exactly? Would Stallman (your example) have the same? They are completely fine for my use except banking/identifying myself online. I can use web for banks but not for the 2FA solutions banks in my country use. Graphene however can if I turn on a Google profile. It's not perfect but it works.

max_ 3y ago
Unfortunately I don't have enough time to fully list all the problems we have with modern computer/smartphone technology, But they are just too many. It's not just the about having Linux. There are all kinds of problems around. But here are my main concerns. - The lack of an easy way to know what all programs on your phone are exactly doing; - Sensible application permissions. (I just want to share 1 photo but somehow the application has access to my entire disk/folder?) Projects like Grapheme seem to just lock down the software completely and make it unusable for all kinds of use cases
- worksonmine 3y ago
  You claim that you want solutions for: > - The lack of an easy way to know what all programs on your phone are exactly doing; > - Sensible application permissions. (I just want to share 1 photo but somehow the application has access to my entire disk/folder?) Yet when Graphene (and Flatpak etc) locks everything down and makes dangerous permissions opt-in it's also a problem: > Projects like Grapheme seem to just lock down the software completely and make it unusable for all kinds of use cases If you want per file permissions that can also be implemented with tools that exist today. For the photo example I usually just copy the image rather than uploading from disk, clipboard access however is another security issue. What would a solution you can accept look like? I agree a fresh OS would be nice but there are solutions to every problem you mention. Even old hardware without binaries are possible for the truly paranoid. It's not perfect but you have to be pragmatic. I think I've made my point that free software didn't really fail. Is it perfect? Absolutely not, but neither was electricity in the 1800s or even today. Did electricity fail?
  - max_ 3y ago
    > I think I've made my point that free software didn't really fail Yes it didn't fail completely. (It was exaggerating to some point) The solutions do exist. But they are scattered & un-integrated into a well oiled out of the box solution that are accessible. What I am just saying is that we need an intellectual cross breed between Steve Jobs & Stallman. That will know how to marry the principles of free software with general consumer satisfaction (UX et al). The free software movement does have some achievements. I would however call it a success if it it was used by the majority as a default and not just a small group of fanatics.
    - worksonmine 3y ago
      I think we're getting there. It took us centuries to get from the first car to a self-driving one. With RISC-V devices coming one after another combined with the minimal locked down immutable OS space I'm optimistic. A completely free and open source phone with off the shelf parts and a software stack you can compile yourself is around the corner. Don't call us fanatics, we're the early adopters shaping the UX you're too busy complaining about to help improve. :)