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https://archive.is/NdXMd https://archive.is/NdXMd --- Hate to be that guy, but WSJ is blocking Firefox on my end for unknown reasons, whereas with a base inst

https://archive.is/NdXMd https://archive.is/NdXMd --- Hate to be that guy, but WSJ is blocking Firefox on my end for unknown reasons, whereas with a base install of Chrome it loads fine after a "human verification" process. The only way I can view this with Firefox is through an archive link. Hope it helps others. Not sure if this is something new since I rarely browse WSJ.

observationist 3y ago
It's DNS. Change your DNS to something else that isn't using CloudFlare and this won't happen. Cloudflare isn't compatible with configurations used by archive.is . You can search "cloudflare DNS hackernews" with your favorite engine to find extensive and comprehensive details about what's happening and why. Take control of your DNS - using your ISP's default never benefits you, and almost certainly benefits them, and almost certainly at the expense of your time, effort, and comfort. Find a DNS setup that you like that isn't using cloudflare, doesn't censor you, doesn't funnel you into walled gardens or censorship bubbles or otherwise try to position itself as a gatekeeper between you and the internet. Good luck!
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- orf 3y ago
  I quite like using cloud flare DNS, and the posturing in this comment is not helping whatever cause you think you have. > Cloudflare isn't compatible with configurations used by archive.is archive.is blocks cloudflare for non-technical reasons. The “configurations” mentioned is to block cloudflare. This also impacts private relay users, annoyingly.
  - pests 3y ago
    I wouldn't say it's non-technical. In fact his argument might be more technical than CloudFlare's position. archive.is wants full EDNS information so they can do a proper IP-based location lookup and serve users from a local data center for speed or whatever reasons CloudFlare does not want to expose this information for privacy reasons. It really depends on your viewpoints on which is more important to you. But I do think calling the archive.is position to be non-technical is hard to support
    - fragmede 3y ago
      it's not whatever reasons. archive.is wants to serve users from a datacenter that there can legally do so from, given the service they provide.
      - pests 3y ago
        I meant "etc" or tried to imply they had their own reasons and they should be assumed to be valid. Didn't mean it dismissively.
- koito17 3y ago
  I think you have misunderstood what I said. Wall Street Journal -- the website -- is blocking me. Ironically, I use Cloudflare DNS and archive.is links now work, even though they used to be an endless captcha loop. The message I get from WSJ is the following. Note: the following does NOT happen when browsing with Chrome. You have been blocked Why? Something about the behaviour of the browser has caught our attention. There are various possible explanations for this: - You are browsing and clicking at a speed much faster than expected of a human being. - Something is preventing JavaScript from working on your computer. - There is a robot on the same network as you. I am used to these kind of sites calling me a robot, so I guess the third point is true to some extent :) P.S. I had to change the Accept-Language headers in Firefox to get this message in English. Otherwise I get machine-translated gibberish, which is ironic considering the page is accusing me of being a machine.
  - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
    > You have been blocked I've seen Firefox-only blocking at WSJ before. Today, when I visit their front page with Firefox, I see the same message you get. But when I load the OP's article I see a white screen with the following page code behind it (ublock disabled). <html><head><title>wsj.com</title><style>#cmsg{animation: A 1.5s;}@keyframes A{0%{opacity:0;}99%{opacity:0;}100%{opacity:1;}}</style></head><body style="margin:0"><p id="cmsg">Please enable JS and disable any ad blocker</p><script data-cfasync="false"> ... host':'geo.captcha-delivery.com'}</script><script data-cfasync="false" src="https://ct.captcha-delivery.com/c.js"></script></body></html>
- lxgr 3y ago
  I quite like iCloud Private Relay, and that (sometimes) uses Cloudflare DNS. The only gatekeeper here is archive.is being opinionated about which DNS's users are or aren't allowed to view their content. The reason is supposedly jurisdiction arbitrage: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971650
- pimlottc 3y ago
  > It's DNS. No, it's not (necessarily). The archive.is recaptcha loop happens to me too, but only on with Firefox, not Chrome. My DNS does not use CloudFlare.
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gruez 3y ago
Are you using any VPNs? I'm using firefox through a VPN and it works fine. Maybe you're using a node with a "dirty" ip address.

observationist 3y ago

It's DNS. Change your DNS to something else that isn't using CloudFlare and this won't happen. Cloudflare isn't compatible with configurations used by archive.is . You can search "cloudflare DNS hackernews" with your favorite engine to find extensive and comprehensive details about what's happening and why. Take control of your DNS - using your ISP's default never benefits you, and almost certainly benefits them, and almost certainly at the expense of your time, effort, and comfort. Find a DNS setup that you like that isn't using cloudflare, doesn't censor you, doesn't funnel you into walled gardens or censorship bubbles or otherwise try to position itself as a gatekeeper between you and the internet. Good luck!

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orf 3y ago
I quite like using cloud flare DNS, and the posturing in this comment is not helping whatever cause you think you have. > Cloudflare isn't compatible with configurations used by archive.is archive.is blocks cloudflare for non-technical reasons. The “configurations” mentioned is to block cloudflare. This also impacts private relay users, annoyingly.
- pests 3y ago
  I wouldn't say it's non-technical. In fact his argument might be more technical than CloudFlare's position. archive.is wants full EDNS information so they can do a proper IP-based location lookup and serve users from a local data center for speed or whatever reasons CloudFlare does not want to expose this information for privacy reasons. It really depends on your viewpoints on which is more important to you. But I do think calling the archive.is position to be non-technical is hard to support
  - fragmede 3y ago
    it's not whatever reasons. archive.is wants to serve users from a datacenter that there can legally do so from, given the service they provide.
    - pests 3y ago
      I meant "etc" or tried to imply they had their own reasons and they should be assumed to be valid. Didn't mean it dismissively.
koito17 3y ago
I think you have misunderstood what I said. Wall Street Journal -- the website -- is blocking me. Ironically, I use Cloudflare DNS and archive.is links now work, even though they used to be an endless captcha loop. The message I get from WSJ is the following. Note: the following does NOT happen when browsing with Chrome. You have been blocked Why? Something about the behaviour of the browser has caught our attention. There are various possible explanations for this: - You are browsing and clicking at a speed much faster than expected of a human being. - Something is preventing JavaScript from working on your computer. - There is a robot on the same network as you. I am used to these kind of sites calling me a robot, so I guess the third point is true to some extent :) P.S. I had to change the Accept-Language headers in Firefox to get this message in English. Otherwise I get machine-translated gibberish, which is ironic considering the page is accusing me of being a machine.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  > You have been blocked I've seen Firefox-only blocking at WSJ before. Today, when I visit their front page with Firefox, I see the same message you get. But when I load the OP's article I see a white screen with the following page code behind it (ublock disabled). <html><head><title>wsj.com</title><style>#cmsg{animation: A 1.5s;}@keyframes A{0%{opacity:0;}99%{opacity:0;}100%{opacity:1;}}</style></head><body style="margin:0"><p id="cmsg">Please enable JS and disable any ad blocker</p><script data-cfasync="false"> ... host':'geo.captcha-delivery.com'}</script><script data-cfasync="false" src="https://ct.captcha-delivery.com/c.js"></script></body></html>
lxgr 3y ago
I quite like iCloud Private Relay, and that (sometimes) uses Cloudflare DNS. The only gatekeeper here is archive.is being opinionated about which DNS's users are or aren't allowed to view their content. The reason is supposedly jurisdiction arbitrage: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971650
pimlottc 3y ago
> It's DNS. No, it's not (necessarily). The archive.is recaptcha loop happens to me too, but only on with Firefox, not Chrome. My DNS does not use CloudFlare.

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gruez 3y ago

Are you using any VPNs? I'm using firefox through a VPN and it works fine. Maybe you're using a node with a "dirty" ip address.