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A huge health win, that was opposed by the religious right because preventing cervical cancer encourages teen sex. This is 13 years ago. The very women the GOP
by jonathankoren 3y ago
A huge health win, that was opposed by the religious right because preventing cervical cancer encourages teen sex. This is 13 years ago. The very women the GOP was arguing shouldn’t get vaccinated while campaigning for president.
Elections matter.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1800969/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1800969/
- nerpderp82 3y ago[flagged]
- talldatethrow 3y agoIf you give 100million women a vaccine eventually to save 80k women death (assuming they die sometimes in their last 20 years of life), it's not instantly obvious if it's worth it. There have already been studies that show getting herpes vaccines increases your odds of dementia. Less than getting actual herpes. But if you could tell yourself to marry a virgin (as a virgin yourself) and remain faithful, you wouldn't have to worry about the brain issues from either the vaccine or herpes. And of course the possibility exists other yet unknown problems exist too. Most people that got the hpv vaccine probably weren't aware of the dimension risks at the time.
- xcrunner529 3y agoCould you link to these studies?
- talldatethrow 3y agoGoogle.com
- xcrunner529 3y agolol so you don’t have any. And also didn’t even realize the ‘herpes’ vaccine is for shingles and not the STD. Smart guy you are.
- talldatethrow 3y agoI have no idea what you're talking about.
- AlexeyBelov 3y agoThat's not how you link to studies. It makes you look shifty. Also there's this downside that now every reader has to go look instead of just you, so the effort is duplicated (or rather multiplied by N).
- Gibbon1 3y agoShingles vaccine appears to reduce the rate of dementia by 20%. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10246135/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10246135/
- talldatethrow 3y agoI was talking about herpes and herpes vaccines. But interesting to know some help. I wonder why they don't work on that and offer it as some sort of pre dementia treatment to help people. Probably because it has larger negatives still.
- xcrunner529 3y agoThere is no herpes STD vaccine. It’s for shingles…
- talldatethrow 3y agoI was talking about the HPV vaccine. Then another guy mention shingles. Improve your reading comprehension.
- xcrunner529 3y agoHPV is not herpes and you said herpes. Also this study shows there was a lower incidence of dementia from those vaccinated. More made up in your head BS. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC81665/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC81665/
- pstuart 3y agoThe fact that vaccines have become politicized is testament to how off the rails things have gone. There's other subjects too, but vaccines had bipartisan support until recently.
- mistermann 3y agoIf people antagonize their outgroup members excessively, it can turn disagreement into total war. https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anythin... "It shouldn't be this way"... https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7374580-frodo-it-s-a-pity-bilbo-didn-t-kill-gollum-when-he https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7374580-frodo-it-s-a-pity-b...
- jonathankoren 3y agoOf course this live and let live approach completely breaks down when you need a critical mass of collective action to prevent collective harm. Vaccine refusal is quantitatively antisocial behavior. It isn't a personal choice. It endangers everyone. This is scientific fact.
- mistermann 3y agoI'm not suggesting "live and let live", I am suggesting we approach the topic seriously - and if one is serious, one takes into consideration causality (that which causes things to happen as they do, which is sometimes other than how it seems). Everyone likes to privilege their ingroup's form of unseriousness, but that doesn't make the consequences vanish.
- nerpderp82 3y agoThis shifts the blame away from where it ultimately lies. Being right politically has always meant anti-intellectual. The act of using scientific evidence to support a position in and of itself gives them justification to fight it. This is victim blaming. I do not mock or humiliate the uninformed, but we cannot meet in the middle to coddle malicious ignorance.
- ddgflorida 3y agoWhat was opposed was forced vaccines on teens using a new vaccine. Our own family doctor recommended we wait until a few years had passed. A few years later - we got the recommendation.
- seattle_spring 3y ago> What was opposed was forced vaccines on teens using a new vaccine Maybe in part, but there was a very large contingency that outright opposed it due to its perceived encouragement of "amoral" behavior. Exact same thing is happening now in the courts with Mifeprestone.
- jonathankoren 3y agoThis is ahistorical. While it may have been true for you, it was not the argument put forth at the time. I knew this projection would happen, and that is why I linked to a contemporaneous article. Teen pregnancy was the most vocal reason at the time.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoOr, the media fanned a flame that was an edge case for advertising dollars.
- supertrope 3y agoCountries are “imagined communities.” Would you really care about what happened in Washington D.C. or some flyover state if it weren’t for newspapers and national TV news?
- jonathankoren 3y ago[flagged]
- jonathankoren 3y agoWhat evidence would it take to change your mind?