Let's not immediately begin a conversation by saying that you only want to talk about what is happening and some folks elsewhere are limiting your speech? Does

Let's not immediately begin a conversation by saying that you only want to talk about what is happening and some folks elsewhere are limiting your speech? Does everything need to start with posturing about your position in greater the "culture war". If you want to discuss whether crime in Oakland is bad enough to force some businesses out, let's do it without all the social artifice. I'll start; the way I see it, this at least a somewhat verifiable claim. Has in-n-out provided any data about how much worse things have gotten? Has anyone claiming that it isn't crime but rather changing customer sentiment provided any data to the opposite? Like, what do we know for sure that isn't "my cousin john say his car was broken into way more" / "people are begin silly that place is completely safe".