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That's too bad, because the software and apps for them are far and above anything non-Korean. Not too important for a refrigerator, but it's important on ovens

That's too bad, because the software and apps for them are far and above anything non-Korean. Not too important for a refrigerator, but it's important on ovens and microwaves. One tiny example: my brand-new JennAir wall-oven has remote start through it's phone app. Guess what? You have to enable "remote start" on the oven itself before the app works. Every single time! You can't just enable remote start on the oven once and then use the app. You must enable it every single time -- in advance of using the app. And to enable it requires 20-30 seconds of "turn oven on, wait for animations to complete, click through this menu, that menu, and another menu". It makes remote start almost useless: I leave the house at 7:00 AM and have to remember to do this every single morning if I want to use remote start for the oven to be preheated when I arrive home. Remote start on LG and Samsung? It's a breeze. These are companies whose have software as a core competency. JennAir? Not so much.

JohnFen 3y ago
> Not too important for a refrigerator, but it's important on ovens and microwaves. It's a huge red flag to me if a fridge, oven, microwave, etc., involves software/apps at all (at least, outside of some microcontroller programming that is never exposed). It's almost certainly a sign that the appliance is junk.
black6 3y ago
It's hard to cook when you're not in the kitchen, so it's not surprising that an excellent oven like JennAir skimps on what is at best a marginally useful marketing ploy.
- bombcar 3y ago
  There are two separate "remote start" philosophies - one is "put item in oven before leaving, remotely turn on at X time, done when home" which is pretty clearly what the JennAir is aiming towards. The other is "I want to preheat the oven" which is what the other leans towards. Both honestly skeeve me out; I wouldn't want to use it unless I had remote cameras and could confirm the oven was empty/only had what I wanted in it.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > one is "put item in oven before leaving, remotely turn on at X time, done when home" which is pretty clearly what the JennAir is aiming towards. Almost all ovens have been able to do that since at least the '60s. You don't turn on the oven remotely, you set a clock that tells the oven when to turn on.
    - black6 3y ago
      That's what my 1960's JennAir does. It has two clocks you can set in addition to the one that tells time: one to turn on the oven at a prescribed time, and another to turn it off.
  - TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
    OP here. I specifically bought this oven with remote start for preheating only. Preheating to 400 degrees easily takes 15 minutes. I want to get home and toss the food into the oven right away, not wait another 15 minutes just to start cooking after I've arrived home. > Both honestly skeeve me out; I'd rather set remote start from the oven itself, but it's not an option. App only.
- TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
  > at best a marginally useful marketing ploy Remote start was my first or second criterion when purchasing a new oven 2 months ago. It's not marketing. > It's hard to cook when you're not in the kitchen It's for preheating. I can save 15 minutes if I can remote start the oven. That's a big deal when you only have 2-3 hours between getting home and kids in bed. It's ok if we have different lives, but don't discount features important to me because of that.

JohnFen 3y ago

> Not too important for a refrigerator, but it's important on ovens and microwaves. It's a huge red flag to me if a fridge, oven, microwave, etc., involves software/apps at all (at least, outside of some microcontroller programming that is never exposed). It's almost certainly a sign that the appliance is junk.

black6 3y ago

It's hard to cook when you're not in the kitchen, so it's not surprising that an excellent oven like JennAir skimps on what is at best a marginally useful marketing ploy.

bombcar 3y ago
There are two separate "remote start" philosophies - one is "put item in oven before leaving, remotely turn on at X time, done when home" which is pretty clearly what the JennAir is aiming towards. The other is "I want to preheat the oven" which is what the other leans towards. Both honestly skeeve me out; I wouldn't want to use it unless I had remote cameras and could confirm the oven was empty/only had what I wanted in it.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > one is "put item in oven before leaving, remotely turn on at X time, done when home" which is pretty clearly what the JennAir is aiming towards. Almost all ovens have been able to do that since at least the '60s. You don't turn on the oven remotely, you set a clock that tells the oven when to turn on.
  - black6 3y ago
    That's what my 1960's JennAir does. It has two clocks you can set in addition to the one that tells time: one to turn on the oven at a prescribed time, and another to turn it off.
- TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
  OP here. I specifically bought this oven with remote start for preheating only. Preheating to 400 degrees easily takes 15 minutes. I want to get home and toss the food into the oven right away, not wait another 15 minutes just to start cooking after I've arrived home. > Both honestly skeeve me out; I'd rather set remote start from the oven itself, but it's not an option. App only.
TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
> at best a marginally useful marketing ploy Remote start was my first or second criterion when purchasing a new oven 2 months ago. It's not marketing. > It's hard to cook when you're not in the kitchen It's for preheating. I can save 15 minutes if I can remote start the oven. That's a big deal when you only have 2-3 hours between getting home and kids in bed. It's ok if we have different lives, but don't discount features important to me because of that.