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Don't buy korean (LG and Samsung). Personally I only buy Bosch whenever I can.

zwieback 3y ago
Having grown up in Stuttgart and son of a former Bosch advisor it hurts me to say this: Bosch stuff is very mixed. We have a Bosch fridge and do not like it: too small, bad door hinges, weird interior (probably better suited for German city living). We swapped it with our old American basement fridge and that's a better fit although the cheap compressor is annoying. What I'd like is a big "empty-box" fridge with a good compressor. The Bosch dishwasher is better, quiet but with the annoying habit of all the interior plastic parts falling apart.
- nagisa 3y ago
  Very mixed indeed. I love the dryer we got, but the washing machine sometimes stops washing mid cycle with a false-positive error which requires restart of the program and warranty ain’t fixing it. Very annoying. The dishwasher is alright if you ignore the fancy press-door-to-open function engaging sometimes when you close the door. The coffee maker has already gone to the other side of the styx twice due to an unscheduled rapid disassembly of internal components. The food processor although clearly the same kind of quality plastic as inside the coffee maker, has been holding up thankfully, but it doesn’t inspire much confidence when I see the whole thing straining and twisting around when mixing some pizza dough. I’m hoping that by the time warranty ends on all of these things I manage to iron the major problems out. At the very least arranging for somebody to come in and take a look is a pretty painless experience...
- bombcar 3y ago
  I'm tempted to go with a commercial "install the compressor on the roof" style design someday, because then you have a perfectly silent device. Of course, that would need to be in your "final home" because nobody would want to buy a house like that.
TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
That's too bad, because the software and apps for them are far and above anything non-Korean. Not too important for a refrigerator, but it's important on ovens and microwaves. One tiny example: my brand-new JennAir wall-oven has remote start through it's phone app. Guess what? You have to enable "remote start" on the oven itself before the app works. Every single time! You can't just enable remote start on the oven once and then use the app. You must enable it every single time -- in advance of using the app. And to enable it requires 20-30 seconds of "turn oven on, wait for animations to complete, click through this menu, that menu, and another menu". It makes remote start almost useless: I leave the house at 7:00 AM and have to remember to do this every single morning if I want to use remote start for the oven to be preheated when I arrive home. Remote start on LG and Samsung? It's a breeze. These are companies whose have software as a core competency. JennAir? Not so much.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > Not too important for a refrigerator, but it's important on ovens and microwaves. It's a huge red flag to me if a fridge, oven, microwave, etc., involves software/apps at all (at least, outside of some microcontroller programming that is never exposed). It's almost certainly a sign that the appliance is junk.
- black6 3y ago
  It's hard to cook when you're not in the kitchen, so it's not surprising that an excellent oven like JennAir skimps on what is at best a marginally useful marketing ploy.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    There are two separate "remote start" philosophies - one is "put item in oven before leaving, remotely turn on at X time, done when home" which is pretty clearly what the JennAir is aiming towards. The other is "I want to preheat the oven" which is what the other leans towards. Both honestly skeeve me out; I wouldn't want to use it unless I had remote cameras and could confirm the oven was empty/only had what I wanted in it.

Having grown up in Stuttgart and son of a former Bosch advisor it hurts me to say this: Bosch stuff is very mixed. We have a Bosch fridge and do not like it: too small, bad door hinges, weird interior (probably better suited for German city living). We swapped it with our old American basement fridge and that's a better fit although the cheap compressor is annoying. What I'd like is a big "empty-box" fridge with a good compressor. The Bosch dishwasher is better, quiet but with the annoying habit of all the interior plastic parts falling apart.

nagisa 3y ago
Very mixed indeed. I love the dryer we got, but the washing machine sometimes stops washing mid cycle with a false-positive error which requires restart of the program and warranty ain’t fixing it. Very annoying. The dishwasher is alright if you ignore the fancy press-door-to-open function engaging sometimes when you close the door. The coffee maker has already gone to the other side of the styx twice due to an unscheduled rapid disassembly of internal components. The food processor although clearly the same kind of quality plastic as inside the coffee maker, has been holding up thankfully, but it doesn’t inspire much confidence when I see the whole thing straining and twisting around when mixing some pizza dough. I’m hoping that by the time warranty ends on all of these things I manage to iron the major problems out. At the very least arranging for somebody to come in and take a look is a pretty painless experience...
bombcar 3y ago
I'm tempted to go with a commercial "install the compressor on the roof" style design someday, because then you have a perfectly silent device. Of course, that would need to be in your "final home" because nobody would want to buy a house like that.

TedDoesntTalk 3y ago

That's too bad, because the software and apps for them are far and above anything non-Korean. Not too important for a refrigerator, but it's important on ovens and microwaves. One tiny example: my brand-new JennAir wall-oven has remote start through it's phone app. Guess what? You have to enable "remote start" on the oven itself before the app works. Every single time! You can't just enable remote start on the oven once and then use the app. You must enable it every single time -- in advance of using the app. And to enable it requires 20-30 seconds of "turn oven on, wait for animations to complete, click through this menu, that menu, and another menu". It makes remote start almost useless: I leave the house at 7:00 AM and have to remember to do this every single morning if I want to use remote start for the oven to be preheated when I arrive home. Remote start on LG and Samsung? It's a breeze. These are companies whose have software as a core competency. JennAir? Not so much.

JohnFen 3y ago
> Not too important for a refrigerator, but it's important on ovens and microwaves. It's a huge red flag to me if a fridge, oven, microwave, etc., involves software/apps at all (at least, outside of some microcontroller programming that is never exposed). It's almost certainly a sign that the appliance is junk.
black6 3y ago
It's hard to cook when you're not in the kitchen, so it's not surprising that an excellent oven like JennAir skimps on what is at best a marginally useful marketing ploy.
- bombcar 3y ago
  There are two separate "remote start" philosophies - one is "put item in oven before leaving, remotely turn on at X time, done when home" which is pretty clearly what the JennAir is aiming towards. The other is "I want to preheat the oven" which is what the other leans towards. Both honestly skeeve me out; I wouldn't want to use it unless I had remote cameras and could confirm the oven was empty/only had what I wanted in it.