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our LG fridge died within two years they replaced the compressor (only due to a class action suit compelling them to), but I expect it will die prematurely aga

our LG fridge died within two years they replaced the compressor (only due to a class action suit compelling them to), but I expect it will die prematurely again anyway I keep thermometers in the fridges and check them all the time an independent appliance repair guy told me changing brands won't help much, they are all junk now and he mostly does installations instead of repairs I responded..."even Bosch dishwashers?" to which he replied that I was probably thinking of Bosch from the 90s

legitster 3y ago
> an independent appliance repair guy told me changing brands won't help much Take this with a grain of salt. Repairmen only see the failures and are very skewed by survivorship fallacy.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > Repairmen only see the failures Sure, that's the value of their advice. You want the appliances that they rarely see.
NuSkooler 3y ago
I've heard this same remark from now 3 appliance installation/repair folk. The advise I was given was do NOT upgrade i.e. our refrigerator because it will keep working while the new models are made to die. This really shouldn't shock anyone, it's a bit of the status quo for appliances, printers, toys, you name it. Planned obsolescence is real and going strong.
doubled112 3y ago
A guy I worked with spent a long time trying to source parts for his Bosch dishwasher that was leaking from underneath. He got a couple years out of it. He did end up finding one. Allegedly the part was redesigned, but what they meant by that was thicker foam tape.
13of40 3y ago
The person who invents a refrigerator compressor that isn't a sealed unit that requires special training and equipment to replace when the motor starts sticking is going to get a horse's head in their bed.
Finnucane 3y ago
There are a lot of brands but only a few actual manufacturers for large appliances, so yeah, they don't typically vary a whole lot in terms of what's inside them. high-end, expensive kit isn't necessarily much better. A Sub-Zero, for instance, can be a maintenance nightmare. We just replaced a 30-year-old GE with a Whirlpool, so far so good, but we don't expect another 30 years out of it.
- SlightlyLeftPad 3y ago
  I have a sub-zero and it performs better than any refrigerator I have had in the past. It’s only 3 years old but have had 0 issues with it and everything is easily accessible to clean, vacuum, repair. The warranty on the core components is 12 years, unheard of these days. It has very few bells and whistles but the thing is built like a tank. Definitely paid an arm and a leg for it though.
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ProllyInfamous 3y ago
>they replaced the [parts] ... but I expect it will die prematurely again anyway This was like when Apple replaced the defectively soldered GPUs on just-out-of-warranty MacBookPros... with the same defective GPUs. In my case, it gave me almost one year to transfer to another model. ---- As for refrigerators, my kitchen design has two refrigerators, in case one is down for repairs/spills/CostCo. The one that's about to die is the newer model.
29athrowaway 3y ago
MBAs did it again! Your refrigerator was too reliable, so it had to be MBAed so you can keep buying new ones each year. Make MBAs illegal.
- CoastalCoder 3y ago
  > MBAs did it again! Your refrigerator was too reliable, so it had to be MBAed so you can keep buying new ones each year. Should we blame individual MBAs, or the governments that create the market / regulatory environments that make such choices rational (or even necessary for survival)? E.g., governments could alter consumer-protection laws to make it financially unwise for a manufacturer to sell devices likely to fail in the first 10 years.
  - 29athrowaway 3y ago
    Every company that uses the MBA reductionist framework inevitably ends up scamming the customers, the employees, society, taxpayers, the environment, politics, and everything that exists. It is a virus that eats reality and turns it into money. If humanity is to survive, MBAs have to be outlawed and banished from any form of administration. Draining everyone, that is what they exist for. Tax evasion, rampant corruption, loss of privacy, mass surveillance, ecocide, regular mass layoffs, low wages, perpetual war, greedflation, etc. Behind every problem, a MBA. Without MBAs, we would be living on Mars. Instead, MBAs are marsforming earth.
    - CoastalCoder 3y ago
      I don't think your comment addresses my main point though. Even if we outlawed MBAs, we'd still have a business environment in which companies that maximize their profitability potentially outcompete more customer-centric companies. A profit-maximizing strategy potentially gives them more money, which in turn lets them lower their prices, ramp up faster in newer markets, etc. I don't think it matters much whether or not people have MBAs. Market dynamics will exist regardless of whether we teach people about them. I think your real complaint lies elsewhere in the system.
st-keller 3y ago
Got a nice blue Bosch in 1997 - works flawlessly since then (got a little louder this year - hope that‘s not a bad sign).
twoWhlsGud 3y ago
Well the plural of anecdote may not be data, but I've really liked my Bosch dishwasher that I've had for the last 5 years or so. Cleans really well, reasonably quiet, and the UI works fine. I'm redoing the kitchen and considering getting a Bosch induction range and maybe a fridge. Reviews on their 600 CFM range exhaust hoods, though, are all over the map. Smaller bits like that seem even harder to get a good read on.

legitster 3y ago

> an independent appliance repair guy told me changing brands won't help much Take this with a grain of salt. Repairmen only see the failures and are very skewed by survivorship fallacy.

JohnFen 3y ago
> Repairmen only see the failures Sure, that's the value of their advice. You want the appliances that they rarely see.

NuSkooler 3y ago

I've heard this same remark from now 3 appliance installation/repair folk. The advise I was given was do NOT upgrade i.e. our refrigerator because it will keep working while the new models are made to die. This really shouldn't shock anyone, it's a bit of the status quo for appliances, printers, toys, you name it. Planned obsolescence is real and going strong.

doubled112 3y ago

A guy I worked with spent a long time trying to source parts for his Bosch dishwasher that was leaking from underneath. He got a couple years out of it. He did end up finding one. Allegedly the part was redesigned, but what they meant by that was thicker foam tape.

13of40 3y ago

The person who invents a refrigerator compressor that isn't a sealed unit that requires special training and equipment to replace when the motor starts sticking is going to get a horse's head in their bed.

Finnucane 3y ago

There are a lot of brands but only a few actual manufacturers for large appliances, so yeah, they don't typically vary a whole lot in terms of what's inside them. high-end, expensive kit isn't necessarily much better. A Sub-Zero, for instance, can be a maintenance nightmare. We just replaced a 30-year-old GE with a Whirlpool, so far so good, but we don't expect another 30 years out of it.

SlightlyLeftPad 3y ago
I have a sub-zero and it performs better than any refrigerator I have had in the past. It’s only 3 years old but have had 0 issues with it and everything is easily accessible to clean, vacuum, repair. The warranty on the core components is 12 years, unheard of these days. It has very few bells and whistles but the thing is built like a tank. Definitely paid an arm and a leg for it though.

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ProllyInfamous 3y ago

>they replaced the [parts] ... but I expect it will die prematurely again anyway This was like when Apple replaced the defectively soldered GPUs on just-out-of-warranty MacBookPros... with the same defective GPUs. In my case, it gave me almost one year to transfer to another model. ---- As for refrigerators, my kitchen design has two refrigerators, in case one is down for repairs/spills/CostCo. The one that's about to die is the newer model.

29athrowaway 3y ago

MBAs did it again! Your refrigerator was too reliable, so it had to be MBAed so you can keep buying new ones each year. Make MBAs illegal.

CoastalCoder 3y ago
> MBAs did it again! Your refrigerator was too reliable, so it had to be MBAed so you can keep buying new ones each year. Should we blame individual MBAs, or the governments that create the market / regulatory environments that make such choices rational (or even necessary for survival)? E.g., governments could alter consumer-protection laws to make it financially unwise for a manufacturer to sell devices likely to fail in the first 10 years.
- 29athrowaway 3y ago
  Every company that uses the MBA reductionist framework inevitably ends up scamming the customers, the employees, society, taxpayers, the environment, politics, and everything that exists. It is a virus that eats reality and turns it into money. If humanity is to survive, MBAs have to be outlawed and banished from any form of administration. Draining everyone, that is what they exist for. Tax evasion, rampant corruption, loss of privacy, mass surveillance, ecocide, regular mass layoffs, low wages, perpetual war, greedflation, etc. Behind every problem, a MBA. Without MBAs, we would be living on Mars. Instead, MBAs are marsforming earth.
  - CoastalCoder 3y ago
    I don't think your comment addresses my main point though. Even if we outlawed MBAs, we'd still have a business environment in which companies that maximize their profitability potentially outcompete more customer-centric companies. A profit-maximizing strategy potentially gives them more money, which in turn lets them lower their prices, ramp up faster in newer markets, etc. I don't think it matters much whether or not people have MBAs. Market dynamics will exist regardless of whether we teach people about them. I think your real complaint lies elsewhere in the system.

st-keller 3y ago

Got a nice blue Bosch in 1997 - works flawlessly since then (got a little louder this year - hope that‘s not a bad sign).

twoWhlsGud 3y ago

Well the plural of anecdote may not be data, but I've really liked my Bosch dishwasher that I've had for the last 5 years or so. Cleans really well, reasonably quiet, and the UI works fine. I'm redoing the kitchen and considering getting a Bosch induction range and maybe a fridge. Reviews on their 600 CFM range exhaust hoods, though, are all over the map. Smaller bits like that seem even harder to get a good read on.