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European citizens didn't vote for those regulations.

by carlosjobim 3y ago

drooopy 3y ago
European Citizens voted for the people who voted for those regulations.
- tgv 3y ago
  And we have input via our governments, and the national parliaments have a say in the procedures: a group of 1/3 of all national parliaments can send proposals back.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  Yes, and so do American citizens. Whether you agree or disagree with the regulations, they were never voted on by the people.
makeitdouble 3y ago
To a larger point, european citizens are largely favorable to those regulations, which makes passing these rules possible, and not a political suicide. HN might not be representative, but the number of comments we see defending companies's right to make as much money as they can and against regulation that would add costs to businesses is IMHO pretty high. If that's the general US sentiment, politicians the have little upside in putting burdens on tech companies in the first place.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  European citizens are largely ignorant of EU regulations, EU politics and EU spending. Most European citizens do not know the name of the EU president. But Europeans will categorically support and agree with EU policy and laws. As for cookie laws, can we honestly say that they have done anything to protect people from corporate spying and abuse of private information? Real regulation would be to outlaw that kind of spying, not putting up annoying banners so that some web developer can feel good about themselves.
  - yau8edq12i 3y ago
    > European citizens are largely ignorant of EU regulations, EU politics and EU spending. Most European citizens do not know the name of the EU president. Very bold claim. Do you have any sources to back it up? EU politics are in the news all the time here.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      Go ask a European. Who are the three EU presidents? Who were the EU presidents before them? Then ask them who is the current US president? And which presidents were before him? Which are the two top candidates in the 2024 election?
      - troupo 3y ago
        Because the person doesn't matter. Policies matter. And Europeans largely prefer privacy-protecting regulations
      - yau8edq12i 3y ago
        In case it wasn't clear from my comment: I'm European...
        carlosjobim 3y ago
        That is my point: You can ask anybody on the streets.
  - Shacklz 3y ago
    > Most European citizens do not know the name of the EU president. Probably a bit controversial but to some degree, that is a good thing. It prevents personality cult and allows to pursue agendas that think in longer terms. In Switzerland, quite a big part of the population could probably not name the current seven members of the federal council - they can actually get work done, without having to appease the public at every corner.
  - makeitdouble 3y ago

European citizens didn't vote for those regulations.

drooopy 3y ago

European Citizens voted for the people who voted for those regulations.

tgv 3y ago
And we have input via our governments, and the national parliaments have a say in the procedures: a group of 1/3 of all national parliaments can send proposals back.
carlosjobim 3y ago
Yes, and so do American citizens. Whether you agree or disagree with the regulations, they were never voted on by the people.

makeitdouble 3y ago

To a larger point, european citizens are largely favorable to those regulations, which makes passing these rules possible, and not a political suicide. HN might not be representative, but the number of comments we see defending companies's right to make as much money as they can and against regulation that would add costs to businesses is IMHO pretty high. If that's the general US sentiment, politicians the have little upside in putting burdens on tech companies in the first place.

carlosjobim 3y ago
European citizens are largely ignorant of EU regulations, EU politics and EU spending. Most European citizens do not know the name of the EU president. But Europeans will categorically support and agree with EU policy and laws. As for cookie laws, can we honestly say that they have done anything to protect people from corporate spying and abuse of private information? Real regulation would be to outlaw that kind of spying, not putting up annoying banners so that some web developer can feel good about themselves.
- yau8edq12i 3y ago
  > European citizens are largely ignorant of EU regulations, EU politics and EU spending. Most European citizens do not know the name of the EU president. Very bold claim. Do you have any sources to back it up? EU politics are in the news all the time here.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    Go ask a European. Who are the three EU presidents? Who were the EU presidents before them? Then ask them who is the current US president? And which presidents were before him? Which are the two top candidates in the 2024 election?
    - troupo 3y ago
      Because the person doesn't matter. Policies matter. And Europeans largely prefer privacy-protecting regulations
    - yau8edq12i 3y ago
      In case it wasn't clear from my comment: I'm European...
      - carlosjobim 3y ago
        That is my point: You can ask anybody on the streets.
- Shacklz 3y ago
  > Most European citizens do not know the name of the EU president. Probably a bit controversial but to some degree, that is a good thing. It prevents personality cult and allows to pursue agendas that think in longer terms. In Switzerland, quite a big part of the population could probably not name the current seven members of the federal council - they can actually get work done, without having to appease the public at every corner.
- makeitdouble 3y ago