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> Airbus is already outselling Boeing 2-1. What's your source? I looked up the quarterly earnings report, and Boeing reports 528 planes delivered in 2023 vs 48

> Airbus is already outselling Boeing 2-1. What's your source? I looked up the quarterly earnings report, and Boeing reports 528 planes delivered in 2023 vs 488 from Airbus. Just curious to know if you're talking dollar amount or what?

kgermino 3y ago
I don’t know the source or veracity but that’s deliveries vs new orders. Planes being delivered this quarter were probably ordered before COVID hit in my understanding so any order differences would take a long time to show up in the delivery numbers
belter 3y ago
"Airbus Vs Boeing: Who Won 2023?" - https://simpleflying.com/airbus-vs-boeing-who-won-2023/ https://simpleflying.com/airbus-vs-boeing-who-won-2023/ "Airbus led in terms of aircraft orders, with Reuters reporting earlier this month that the manufacturer was on track to hit an all-time year-end order record of over 1,800. Boeing's order numbers were a little further behind, with only about 1,200 net orders logged. When it comes to aircraft delivery targets, Airbus again pulled ahead. According to the latest analysis from Reuters, the Toulouse-based manufacturer is set to come out on top, with over 720 jets projected to be delivered to customers by the end of the year. Boeing also trails in this category, with delivery targets only sitting around 500."
Zigurd 3y ago
FT article including charts and numbers: https://www.ft.com/content/c08642f5-3aa3-447b-9028-c1c84b8e10fe https://www.ft.com/content/c08642f5-3aa3-447b-9028-c1c84b8e1...
SoftTalker 3y ago
Airbus is backordered for years. Boeing is the only company that's actually got the capacity to take new orders for larger airliners.
- ulfw 3y ago
  Easy to have capacity if you outsource everything to manufacturers who aren't terribly diligent bolting down planes.
stevehawk 3y ago
Orders and deliveries are two different thing. Orders taken today are for years in the future, and deliveries made today were taken as orders years ago. This is true from Cessna up to Boeing.

kgermino 3y ago

I don’t know the source or veracity but that’s deliveries vs new orders. Planes being delivered this quarter were probably ordered before COVID hit in my understanding so any order differences would take a long time to show up in the delivery numbers

belter 3y ago

"Airbus Vs Boeing: Who Won 2023?" - https://simpleflying.com/airbus-vs-boeing-who-won-2023/ https://simpleflying.com/airbus-vs-boeing-who-won-2023/ "Airbus led in terms of aircraft orders, with Reuters reporting earlier this month that the manufacturer was on track to hit an all-time year-end order record of over 1,800. Boeing's order numbers were a little further behind, with only about 1,200 net orders logged. When it comes to aircraft delivery targets, Airbus again pulled ahead. According to the latest analysis from Reuters, the Toulouse-based manufacturer is set to come out on top, with over 720 jets projected to be delivered to customers by the end of the year. Boeing also trails in this category, with delivery targets only sitting around 500."

Zigurd 3y ago

FT article including charts and numbers: https://www.ft.com/content/c08642f5-3aa3-447b-9028-c1c84b8e10fe https://www.ft.com/content/c08642f5-3aa3-447b-9028-c1c84b8e1...

SoftTalker 3y ago

Airbus is backordered for years. Boeing is the only company that's actually got the capacity to take new orders for larger airliners.

ulfw 3y ago
Easy to have capacity if you outsource everything to manufacturers who aren't terribly diligent bolting down planes.

stevehawk 3y ago

Orders and deliveries are two different thing. Orders taken today are for years in the future, and deliveries made today were taken as orders years ago. This is true from Cessna up to Boeing.