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That's actually a very good definition of schizophrenia, I don't understand your point. Mania does not necessarily mean connections and meaning, it's more relat

That's actually a very good definition of schizophrenia, I don't understand your point. Mania does not necessarily mean connections and meaning, it's more related to mood and impulsivity.

kouru225 3y ago
If you’ve met someone who’s in the middle of a manic episode, it’s pretty clear that “energy” is just a surface level description of what’s happening to them. These people find meaning and value in everything around them, and appear to be energetic because that’s exciting to them but also because they need to work at a rapid speed in order to communicate all the things they see. They also have a habit of transitioning rapidly from one idea to another even when these ideas don’t seem connected. This is why depression, a lack of meaning, is described as the other side of the coin of mania: because mania is an overload of meaning. This is also not a good definition of schizophrenia at all. Schizophrenics are people who, in extreme cases, can experience full-blown hallucinations. Meaning and connections don’t create literal hallucinations.
- mksybr 3y ago
  Psychosis and hallucinations are a symptom of manic episodes, as are paranoid delusions.
  - kouru225 3y ago
    If you want to argue that manic delusions and schizophrenic hallucinations are the exact same thing, then go ahead
    - 11217mackem 3y ago
      manic psychosis and paranoid schizophrenia are indistinguishable the only difference is, one can recover from manic psychosis
  - saltcured 3y ago
    This is a bit like saying coughing is a symptom of the flu. It can be a symptom of the flu, but it can also be a symptom of something else... As best I understand it, schizophrenia may be an umbrella term, a bit like autism has been. We don't really know enough about the mechanisms to identify more specific diseases or conditions. But, the core features for schizophrenia seem to be disturbed perception (hallucination), beliefs (delusion), and thought processes (abnormal reasoning, speech, and behavior). These can range from subtle or extreme over the life of the patient. The experience of these may lead to agitation, but mania often presents the other way around. The increasing energy seems to precede the other psychotic symptoms. There are two other common conditions which also have many of the same symptoms, but not in the same pattern. Delirium is often a temporary condition when someone is sick or injured. Dementia is a terminal, degenerative condition. Sometimes a patient can have all of these: a lifetime of schizophrenia shifting into dementia in old age, punctuated with bouts of delirium due to infections etc. The differences may be recognizable and help with treatment plans, but the symptoms can all blur together. One way doctors try to distinguish them is by noting the timing of symptoms.

That's actually a very good definition of schizophrenia, I don't understand your point. Mania does not necessarily mean connections and meaning, it's more related to mood and impulsivity.

kouru225 3y ago

If you’ve met someone who’s in the middle of a manic episode, it’s pretty clear that “energy” is just a surface level description of what’s happening to them. These people find meaning and value in everything around them, and appear to be energetic because that’s exciting to them but also because they need to work at a rapid speed in order to communicate all the things they see. They also have a habit of transitioning rapidly from one idea to another even when these ideas don’t seem connected. This is why depression, a lack of meaning, is described as the other side of the coin of mania: because mania is an overload of meaning. This is also not a good definition of schizophrenia at all. Schizophrenics are people who, in extreme cases, can experience full-blown hallucinations. Meaning and connections don’t create literal hallucinations.

mksybr 3y ago
Psychosis and hallucinations are a symptom of manic episodes, as are paranoid delusions.
- kouru225 3y ago
  If you want to argue that manic delusions and schizophrenic hallucinations are the exact same thing, then go ahead
  - 11217mackem 3y ago
    manic psychosis and paranoid schizophrenia are indistinguishable the only difference is, one can recover from manic psychosis
- saltcured 3y ago
  This is a bit like saying coughing is a symptom of the flu. It can be a symptom of the flu, but it can also be a symptom of something else... As best I understand it, schizophrenia may be an umbrella term, a bit like autism has been. We don't really know enough about the mechanisms to identify more specific diseases or conditions. But, the core features for schizophrenia seem to be disturbed perception (hallucination), beliefs (delusion), and thought processes (abnormal reasoning, speech, and behavior). These can range from subtle or extreme over the life of the patient. The experience of these may lead to agitation, but mania often presents the other way around. The increasing energy seems to precede the other psychotic symptoms. There are two other common conditions which also have many of the same symptoms, but not in the same pattern. Delirium is often a temporary condition when someone is sick or injured. Dementia is a terminal, degenerative condition. Sometimes a patient can have all of these: a lifetime of schizophrenia shifting into dementia in old age, punctuated with bouts of delirium due to infections etc. The differences may be recognizable and help with treatment plans, but the symptoms can all blur together. One way doctors try to distinguish them is by noting the timing of symptoms.