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> you're simply ignorant of the fact that the supposed racial results disparity in tests like the SAT measures more accurately disparity in opportunity Literal

> you're simply ignorant of the fact that the supposed racial results disparity in tests like the SAT measures more accurately disparity in opportunity Literally all this chart shows is disparity in performance, thereby proving my point. Unless you're trying to say standardized tests are racist? >And if you somehow still think that some races are more intrinsically intelligent than others Black people just have more access to sports, which is why they are more athletic. Disparity in opportunity, right? Asians just don't have access to enough basketball courts. But yeah, I'm the ignorant one.

EGG_CREAM 3y ago
The person above didn’t explicitly say it so I will: you’re a racist.
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toss1 3y ago
>>Unless you're trying to say standardized tests are racist? Quite the opposite. While the tests were criticized as racist, further sutdy is showing that the results correlate most strongly with educational opportunity, and basically document the broader disparities. >>Disparity in opportunity, right? Asians just don't have access to enough basketball courts. But yeah, I'm the ignorant one. Yes, you are. You entirely ignore the role of culture and disparate opportunity in athletic results. For starters, in some minority cultures, sports is a primary route AVAILABLE for success, so both more athletes go into those routes, and more stay in. A couple of examples. I knew a serious football player, played for 'bama, won the Rose Bowl, was recruited by multiple top pro teams. Declined it all and went into software sales (which is where I met him, recruiting my company to be a VAR), because he wanted to have knees that worked after he was 40. He was white and had the opportunity to do something else. Or, take the speed events of alpine ski racing, Downhill and Super-G (something I know a bit about from having been internationally ranked and on my national ski team and the pro tour decades ago). For decades, the Austrians dominate. At various times, a Swiss, Norwegian, German, French, Italian, or American will be on top, but there are always Austrians in the top 10 and usually dominating at the top of the podium. Yet Austria is only a country of 8+ million people, not much larger than Massachusetts. And there are serious skiing mountains and training programs in dozens of larger countries, and far larger potential talent pools. I can also tell you that Downhill racing is one of the absolutely most intensly demanding sports - over 2 minutes of peak demands on strength, aerobic capacity, and skilled fine-tuned control required to merely make it to the finish line, let alone win. You clearly suggest that it is genetics that determine sporting outcome and anyone claiming opportunity or other factors is ignorant. So, what is it about the Austrians' gene pool that gives them such perennial prowess in Downhill ski racing? Is their genetic makeup somehow that different from the next-door Swiss or Germans? Obviously not. What IS different is their culture where they have great training programs and a huge portion of their talent pool goes into ski racing — Austrian kids want to win at Kitzbühel or Wengen the way American kids aspire to win a Super Bowl or World Series —and that's differentially where much of our talent pool goes. As for Asian basketball players, obviously they CAN be great [0], but anecdotally, their culture values things other than basketball, so we see lots more of them at the top of math competitions than we see Austrians. So, while I could go on at far greater length, the answer is clearly that YES you are the ignorant one on those sorts of topics, and should stop spreading your ignorance. [0] from literally a 2-second search: https://basketballmentality.com/best-asian-nba-players/ https://basketballmentality.com/best-asian-nba-players/
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toss1 3y ago
Let's also deal with the facts here, from actual data on Boeing and Spirit. You claim that diversity is accelerating the decline, in this case in the context of airline technology and management failures. Looking at their bios & photos, [0, 1,2] here's the breakdown: Out of the 13 Boeing Board members, 8 are white men, 3 are white women, 1 is a black man and 1 an Indian, 1 a mixed woman. On Boeing's 21 member executive council, 13 are white men, 5 are white women, and 3 black/mixed men. Spirit Aerosystems has 10 Board members, of which 7 are white men, 1 black man and and 2 white women. Spirit's 14 executives are 10 white men, 1 black man, and 3 white women. You are saying that out of 58 people, the 38 white men got overwhelmend by the 13 white women and 6 black men and 2 others who completely and illegitimately dominated their choices and forced them to make such bad decisions that their fleets are again grounded and subject to inspection? Because that is what is required for "diversity to accelerate" this decline — that those 38 white men are so weak that their superior judgement is overwhelmed by any minority of women or non-whites. More likely, the dominant white men are just making inferior decisions all on their own, and the minority either goes along to get along or cannot outvote the commanding WM majority. Either way, diversity is NOT the problem. The problem is that the old white guys (esp from the McConnel-Douglas cultrue) are forking it up and deed to be replaced. Go peddle your racist ignorance elsewhere. (&re: your Twitter ref: you are obviously incapable of understanding an argument beyond mischaracterizing it — I'm not simply saying "here's an exception to your statistical generalization"; I'm describing and providing evidence for OTHER FACTORS that you ignore, and which actually dominate. Yese genes and opportunity play a part, but cultural push dominates top athletic prowess) In general, you can spend your life using confirmation bias to confirm ytour racism. That does not make you any less ignorant. I makes you willfully ignorant I sincerely hope your "doctor" moniker has nothing to do with practice of medicine. You would be a plague on your patients, and should quit. Wow, what an awful person you are. [0] https://www.boeing.com/company/general-info/corporate-governance.page https://www.boeing.com/company/general-info/corporate-govern... [1] https://www.boeing.com/company/bios/index.page https://www.boeing.com/company/bios/index.page [2] https://investor.spiritaero.com/corporate-governance/OD/default.aspx https://investor.spiritaero.com/corporate-governance/OD/defa...

EGG_CREAM 3y ago

The person above didn’t explicitly say it so I will: you’re a racist.

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toss1 3y ago

>>Unless you're trying to say standardized tests are racist? Quite the opposite. While the tests were criticized as racist, further sutdy is showing that the results correlate most strongly with educational opportunity, and basically document the broader disparities. >>Disparity in opportunity, right? Asians just don't have access to enough basketball courts. But yeah, I'm the ignorant one. Yes, you are. You entirely ignore the role of culture and disparate opportunity in athletic results. For starters, in some minority cultures, sports is a primary route AVAILABLE for success, so both more athletes go into those routes, and more stay in. A couple of examples. I knew a serious football player, played for 'bama, won the Rose Bowl, was recruited by multiple top pro teams. Declined it all and went into software sales (which is where I met him, recruiting my company to be a VAR), because he wanted to have knees that worked after he was 40. He was white and had the opportunity to do something else. Or, take the speed events of alpine ski racing, Downhill and Super-G (something I know a bit about from having been internationally ranked and on my national ski team and the pro tour decades ago). For decades, the Austrians dominate. At various times, a Swiss, Norwegian, German, French, Italian, or American will be on top, but there are always Austrians in the top 10 and usually dominating at the top of the podium. Yet Austria is only a country of 8+ million people, not much larger than Massachusetts. And there are serious skiing mountains and training programs in dozens of larger countries, and far larger potential talent pools. I can also tell you that Downhill racing is one of the absolutely most intensly demanding sports - over 2 minutes of peak demands on strength, aerobic capacity, and skilled fine-tuned control required to merely make it to the finish line, let alone win. You clearly suggest that it is genetics that determine sporting outcome and anyone claiming opportunity or other factors is ignorant. So, what is it about the Austrians' gene pool that gives them such perennial prowess in Downhill ski racing? Is their genetic makeup somehow that different from the next-door Swiss or Germans? Obviously not. What IS different is their culture where they have great training programs and a huge portion of their talent pool goes into ski racing — Austrian kids want to win at Kitzbühel or Wengen the way American kids aspire to win a Super Bowl or World Series —and that's differentially where much of our talent pool goes. As for Asian basketball players, obviously they CAN be great [0], but anecdotally, their culture values things other than basketball, so we see lots more of them at the top of math competitions than we see Austrians. So, while I could go on at far greater length, the answer is clearly that YES you are the ignorant one on those sorts of topics, and should stop spreading your ignorance. [0] from literally a 2-second search: https://basketballmentality.com/best-asian-nba-players/ https://basketballmentality.com/best-asian-nba-players/

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the_doctah 3y ago
https://twitter.com/AndrewCSSN/status/1749151797430702415 https://twitter.com/AndrewCSSN/status/1749151797430702415

toss1 3y ago

Let's also deal with the facts here, from actual data on Boeing and Spirit. You claim that diversity is accelerating the decline, in this case in the context of airline technology and management failures. Looking at their bios & photos, [0, 1,2] here's the breakdown: Out of the 13 Boeing Board members, 8 are white men, 3 are white women, 1 is a black man and 1 an Indian, 1 a mixed woman. On Boeing's 21 member executive council, 13 are white men, 5 are white women, and 3 black/mixed men. Spirit Aerosystems has 10 Board members, of which 7 are white men, 1 black man and and 2 white women. Spirit's 14 executives are 10 white men, 1 black man, and 3 white women. You are saying that out of 58 people, the 38 white men got overwhelmend by the 13 white women and 6 black men and 2 others who completely and illegitimately dominated their choices and forced them to make such bad decisions that their fleets are again grounded and subject to inspection? Because that is what is required for "diversity to accelerate" this decline — that those 38 white men are so weak that their superior judgement is overwhelmed by any minority of women or non-whites. More likely, the dominant white men are just making inferior decisions all on their own, and the minority either goes along to get along or cannot outvote the commanding WM majority. Either way, diversity is NOT the problem. The problem is that the old white guys (esp from the McConnel-Douglas cultrue) are forking it up and deed to be replaced. Go peddle your racist ignorance elsewhere. (&re: your Twitter ref: you are obviously incapable of understanding an argument beyond mischaracterizing it — I'm not simply saying "here's an exception to your statistical generalization"; I'm describing and providing evidence for OTHER FACTORS that you ignore, and which actually dominate. Yese genes and opportunity play a part, but cultural push dominates top athletic prowess) In general, you can spend your life using confirmation bias to confirm ytour racism. That does not make you any less ignorant. I makes you willfully ignorant I sincerely hope your "doctor" moniker has nothing to do with practice of medicine. You would be a plague on your patients, and should quit. Wow, what an awful person you are. [0] https://www.boeing.com/company/general-info/corporate-governance.page https://www.boeing.com/company/general-info/corporate-govern... [1] https://www.boeing.com/company/bios/index.page https://www.boeing.com/company/bios/index.page [2] https://investor.spiritaero.com/corporate-governance/OD/default.aspx https://investor.spiritaero.com/corporate-governance/OD/defa...