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So I'm a stage 4 cancer patient and now there's a real fire under my ass to do a heroic dose. I talked to my therapist about it and he was like yea, here's this

So I'm a stage 4 cancer patient and now there's a real fire under my ass to do a heroic dose. I talked to my therapist about it and he was like yea, here's this website where you can order some chocolate bars. My jaw hit the floor. I thought he was referencing the darkweb, but nope just a typical site in Canada I think. I'm still incredibly new to it all and would love to grow my own at one point. I'd also love to know where ahem folks are sourcing their stuff.

quchen 3y ago
Germany: Spores are legal in Austria (maybe also Netherlands?). Then search Uncle Ben's Tek online. You can also grow legal mushrooms like this, King Oysters in my case. It's a wonderful project teaching you a lot. Start to finish it's about 20 hours of work spanning 2 months.
- RamblingCTO 3y ago
  Spores are illegal in Germany. But just buy a growkit from the Netherlands, if you're terminally ill in Germany, chances are that law enforcement won't even start processing before you're dead. PS: awesome tip!
  - quchen 3y ago
    > Spores are illegal in Germany So are growkits, but spores are easier to transport (in a syringe suspended in water, or on aluminium foil). Problem with growkits is that it takes a while to see whether you’ve got a good (or contaminated) one, and yield isn’t that high. Main options: - (Learning, qulity) Start from spores (syringe or dry): do this to learn a lot, and also to have something to eat afterwards. It was one of my most valuable projects ever. Spores go into petri dish, then search for Uncle Ben’s. Two months starting from zero. - (Learning, quality, faster) Clone a living part: get your hands on mycelium or a fresh fruiting body (possibly also a sclerotium AKA truffle), which consists of mycelium as well (the »fruit« is the same material as the »tree« for fungi, I digress but this is so interesting). Put into agar petri dish, let it grow, and search for Uncle Ben’s. (I did this with store-bought King Oysters.) Roughly 2 weeks faster than the spore process because you’re skipping the selection-and-transfer phase, and thus also contamination risk. - (No learning, genome+contamination gambling, fastest) Growkit: don’t have experience with this, but I’ve heard that they often don’t work because they’re contaminated. I have no practical experience here.
    - grey8 3y ago
      I used a Growkit with no experience at all; and it worked beautifully. YMMV. The yield is "not as big", right, but it's still more than you can reasonably consume. I don't quite remember, but I think three flushes yielded ~50g (dry) or so out of one small Growkit. Two big glass jars full. I want to do it again out of enjoyment for the grow process alone. It's really fun watching these things grow!
    - RamblingCTO 3y ago
      Yeah I still have spores (ofc nothing legal ... :P) and will try the Uncle Ben's tek. Looks real easy. Thanks for the discussion! Would love to discuss more, but not on HN with my clear name attached to the profile haha.
flerchin 3y ago
Sorry about the cancer. What's the idea behind a heroic dose?
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- csa 3y ago
  If my understanding is correct, it helps with coming to terms with imminent mortality.
  - Wonnk13 3y ago
    Yes exactly. Basically trying to replicate some of the clinical trials in my bedroom lol.
kamranjon 3y ago
Oregon has stores now that sell everything you need to grow your own. Pre-sterilized substrate bags with injection ports and many different strains of psychedelic mushrooms sold in spore syringes. You basically just stick it in a closet, inject it and it will just do its thing - in a few weeks you will have pounds of mushrooms. There are more than one of these stores in my city - wouldn’t be surprised if it was happening in many other cities on the west coast as well.
h2odragon 3y ago
They're easy to grow. I can highly recommend these folks: https://sporeworks.com/ https://sporeworks.com/ I used to do "too much" doses and go running the hills with the hounds, back when. They're a great thing; but like all good things they can be overindulged. probably got an ounce or two under alcohol in the freezer still; haven't felt the need to dip into that for a decade.
scyzoryk_xyz 3y ago
Look up Portland Psychedelic Society videos about how it works. It's super easy as a hobby. You buy the spores or the substrate online. Also super easy. Grow-boxes should basically be legal for your purposes. Sounds like it very much is about time. If I were you I would also just splurge and seek out a solid ayajuaska experience somewhere in that other America down there. Good luck
ParanoidShroom 3y ago
Shroomery has all the information in the world or just youtube. Spore tend to be legal in many places, then buy sterilised kits and inject, its really easy. You can do it all yourself for a bit less money but then you'll see tricky grain infections can be. >heroic dose. imho they arent worth it, im making assumption regarding the cancer but you might benefit more from an actual `ceremony`. Not to get spiritual but they are more guided, a guided ayahuasca ceremony might be less intense but I personally think would be a better fit. Hope you'll be fine.
thinkingtoilet 3y ago
DO NOT just go and do a heroic dose on your own if you are not VERY experienced.
- dumpsterdiver 3y ago
  Agreed. Definitely calibrate your internal register for “this is what taking mushrooms feels like” using a low dose. IMO it’s especially important to familiarize yourself with the anxiety / exhaustion that can occur as the drug takes effect. I’ve always considered myself someone who can “maintain their shit” pretty well on drugs (granted, I rarely do drugs recreationally, my mushroom schedule is maybe once or twice a year these days). The few times I’ve hit a bit of turbulence has always been on the come-up or come-down. For mushrooms the comedown has always been smooth for me, but going up I’ve noticed a vague sense of anxiety until the full wave hits.
TSiege 3y ago
Please do it with an experienced friend! High doses like that can be really jarring for your first time if you're not in a good location with someone who knows how to remain chill on them
huytersd 3y ago
Eh, I’ve done it a dozen times and it was amazing every time except the last one when I was expecting some bad news in the near future. If I did shrooms with my death looming, I feel like I might have lost my mind. Be careful, though I guess you don’t have a lot to lose. If I were you, I would go the stimulant (amphetamine) and opiate route since it’s a lot more easily accessible fun and will probably help you mentally cope with this period better.

quchen 3y ago

Germany: Spores are legal in Austria (maybe also Netherlands?). Then search Uncle Ben's Tek online. You can also grow legal mushrooms like this, King Oysters in my case. It's a wonderful project teaching you a lot. Start to finish it's about 20 hours of work spanning 2 months.

RamblingCTO 3y ago
Spores are illegal in Germany. But just buy a growkit from the Netherlands, if you're terminally ill in Germany, chances are that law enforcement won't even start processing before you're dead. PS: awesome tip!
- quchen 3y ago
  > Spores are illegal in Germany So are growkits, but spores are easier to transport (in a syringe suspended in water, or on aluminium foil). Problem with growkits is that it takes a while to see whether you’ve got a good (or contaminated) one, and yield isn’t that high. Main options: - (Learning, qulity) Start from spores (syringe or dry): do this to learn a lot, and also to have something to eat afterwards. It was one of my most valuable projects ever. Spores go into petri dish, then search for Uncle Ben’s. Two months starting from zero. - (Learning, quality, faster) Clone a living part: get your hands on mycelium or a fresh fruiting body (possibly also a sclerotium AKA truffle), which consists of mycelium as well (the »fruit« is the same material as the »tree« for fungi, I digress but this is so interesting). Put into agar petri dish, let it grow, and search for Uncle Ben’s. (I did this with store-bought King Oysters.) Roughly 2 weeks faster than the spore process because you’re skipping the selection-and-transfer phase, and thus also contamination risk. - (No learning, genome+contamination gambling, fastest) Growkit: don’t have experience with this, but I’ve heard that they often don’t work because they’re contaminated. I have no practical experience here.
  - grey8 3y ago
    I used a Growkit with no experience at all; and it worked beautifully. YMMV. The yield is "not as big", right, but it's still more than you can reasonably consume. I don't quite remember, but I think three flushes yielded ~50g (dry) or so out of one small Growkit. Two big glass jars full. I want to do it again out of enjoyment for the grow process alone. It's really fun watching these things grow!
  - RamblingCTO 3y ago
    Yeah I still have spores (ofc nothing legal ... :P) and will try the Uncle Ben's tek. Looks real easy. Thanks for the discussion! Would love to discuss more, but not on HN with my clear name attached to the profile haha.

flerchin 3y ago

Sorry about the cancer. What's the idea behind a heroic dose?

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csa 3y ago
If my understanding is correct, it helps with coming to terms with imminent mortality.
- Wonnk13 3y ago
  Yes exactly. Basically trying to replicate some of the clinical trials in my bedroom lol.

kamranjon 3y ago

Oregon has stores now that sell everything you need to grow your own. Pre-sterilized substrate bags with injection ports and many different strains of psychedelic mushrooms sold in spore syringes. You basically just stick it in a closet, inject it and it will just do its thing - in a few weeks you will have pounds of mushrooms. There are more than one of these stores in my city - wouldn’t be surprised if it was happening in many other cities on the west coast as well.

h2odragon 3y ago

They're easy to grow. I can highly recommend these folks: https://sporeworks.com/ https://sporeworks.com/ I used to do "too much" doses and go running the hills with the hounds, back when. They're a great thing; but like all good things they can be overindulged. probably got an ounce or two under alcohol in the freezer still; haven't felt the need to dip into that for a decade.

scyzoryk_xyz 3y ago

Look up Portland Psychedelic Society videos about how it works. It's super easy as a hobby. You buy the spores or the substrate online. Also super easy. Grow-boxes should basically be legal for your purposes. Sounds like it very much is about time. If I were you I would also just splurge and seek out a solid ayajuaska experience somewhere in that other America down there. Good luck

ParanoidShroom 3y ago

Shroomery has all the information in the world or just youtube. Spore tend to be legal in many places, then buy sterilised kits and inject, its really easy. You can do it all yourself for a bit less money but then you'll see tricky grain infections can be. >heroic dose. imho they arent worth it, im making assumption regarding the cancer but you might benefit more from an actual `ceremony`. Not to get spiritual but they are more guided, a guided ayahuasca ceremony might be less intense but I personally think would be a better fit. Hope you'll be fine.

thinkingtoilet 3y ago

DO NOT just go and do a heroic dose on your own if you are not VERY experienced.

dumpsterdiver 3y ago
Agreed. Definitely calibrate your internal register for “this is what taking mushrooms feels like” using a low dose. IMO it’s especially important to familiarize yourself with the anxiety / exhaustion that can occur as the drug takes effect. I’ve always considered myself someone who can “maintain their shit” pretty well on drugs (granted, I rarely do drugs recreationally, my mushroom schedule is maybe once or twice a year these days). The few times I’ve hit a bit of turbulence has always been on the come-up or come-down. For mushrooms the comedown has always been smooth for me, but going up I’ve noticed a vague sense of anxiety until the full wave hits.

TSiege 3y ago

Please do it with an experienced friend! High doses like that can be really jarring for your first time if you're not in a good location with someone who knows how to remain chill on them

huytersd 3y ago

Eh, I’ve done it a dozen times and it was amazing every time except the last one when I was expecting some bad news in the near future. If I did shrooms with my death looming, I feel like I might have lost my mind. Be careful, though I guess you don’t have a lot to lose. If I were you, I would go the stimulant (amphetamine) and opiate route since it’s a lot more easily accessible fun and will probably help you mentally cope with this period better.