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There’s 1 million international students in Canadian university right now. There’s just 38Miion people in Canada. Canada took immigration on steroids under the

There’s 1 million international students in Canadian university right now. There’s just 38Miion people in Canada. Canada took immigration on steroids under their current government. Many think it’s not sustainable with housing, medical, education, and social services unable to absorb such large growth short term.

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myth_drannon 3y ago
Just to compare, US also has 1 million international students while having x10 population.
- smnrchrds 3y ago
  Canada's population has grown faster than the US. US is "only" 8x Canada now. Canada: 40.8 million (https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2018005-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2018005...) US: 336 million (https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://www.census.gov/popclock/)
TMWNN 3y ago
Context: Like the US, Canada allows international students to work. Unlike the US, Canada allows those students to work off campus, up to 40 hours a week. This has caused the rise of an entire industry, in which so-called institutions of higher learning (Conestoga, Lambton, Confederation) have 99% Indian "students" that work off campus, destroying the local job and housing markets.
- goodSteveramos 3y ago
  I think you meant to say immigrants alleviate the local labor shortage and contribute to the housing market.
  - xarball 3y ago
    50% of migrants can't find a job. Our banks are publishing papers that for every 1% our population increases, home prices appreciate 3% above the target CPI of 2%; AFTER accounting for interest rates. It's flat out a Ponzi Scheme. Our real wages are absolute CRAP.
- iinnPP 3y ago
  Almost all of our colleges are diploma mills now. Not just the private ones.
screye 3y ago
It is sustainable, just not with the current polices. At its current first world standards, Canada should be able to attract top talent from any developing country. It has practically infinite space & resources. They can selectively import a mix of medicine, education and construction professionals to make sure that services keep in touch with the rising population. Sadly, their polices are all over the place. While the US skims from the top of the Indian talent pool, Canada seems hell bent on importing the most mediocre of Indian talent. This article does a good job of elaborating on the needles and massive hurdles faced by a foreign health-care professional, if they want to immigrate to Canada. You can complain about the shortcomings all you want, but the unwillingness to expand slots is a purely political decision. Similarly, despite having a massive housing shortage, housing remains firmly in the grasp of Canadian NIMBYs. All social-welfarist countries will need to find ways to replace their aging workforces. Some will try to promote fertility (Hungary, Poland?) and others will try immigration. There isn't much else you can do. For once, the US had had a mature and well thought out legal immigration system. It pretty much selects for only those who can productively contribute to the economy, and that's after drawing ~$200k in tuition and ~5-10 years of uncompensated social security taxes.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  > It has practically infinite space & resources. Not true for most of Canada on the Shield, the vast majority of land is close to barren rock, very hard rock at that, and way too cold & remote for economically viable anything (without huge subsidies from Ottawa), any mining/farming/etc. only happens in unusual pockets, like Sudbury where a big asteroid hit relatively recently in the geological past.
theironhammer 3y ago
Over 2 Million a year are coming in. Canada does not have infinite space. Most of the country is uninhabitable. It has a harsh climate. Most of the influx goes to two cities and their environs. Housing costs are the most expensive in the developed world.
- beaeglebeached 3y ago
  You could make like 20 more Calgaries east of the Rockies with prefabs pumped out WW2 style. The geography there ain't that unique.
  - soupbowl 3y ago
    Except the last cold snap in Alberta almost took out their power grid. Canada needs infrastructure to build things out and we have not investment in what we have let alone what we need, how can we build out even just 1 more Calgary?
    - aprdm 3y ago
      People live in Texas and it /actually/ took out their power grid..
      - beaeglebeached 3y ago
        I have no power service at all. Generator+solar, not that hard to figure out what to do for weak grids.
  - tharmas 3y ago
    But that's not how city economics works. And most immigrants are from India and China. They, quite rightly, prefer to settle in places were their are others who share the same language and culture. That's Toronto and Vancouver. That's also were the jobs are.
    - beaeglebeached 3y ago

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myth_drannon 3y ago

Just to compare, US also has 1 million international students while having x10 population.

smnrchrds 3y ago
Canada's population has grown faster than the US. US is "only" 8x Canada now. Canada: 40.8 million (https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2018005-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2018005...) US: 336 million (https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://www.census.gov/popclock/)

TMWNN 3y ago

Context: Like the US, Canada allows international students to work. Unlike the US, Canada allows those students to work off campus, up to 40 hours a week. This has caused the rise of an entire industry, in which so-called institutions of higher learning (Conestoga, Lambton, Confederation) have 99% Indian "students" that work off campus, destroying the local job and housing markets.

goodSteveramos 3y ago
I think you meant to say immigrants alleviate the local labor shortage and contribute to the housing market.
- xarball 3y ago
  50% of migrants can't find a job. Our banks are publishing papers that for every 1% our population increases, home prices appreciate 3% above the target CPI of 2%; AFTER accounting for interest rates. It's flat out a Ponzi Scheme. Our real wages are absolute CRAP.
iinnPP 3y ago
Almost all of our colleges are diploma mills now. Not just the private ones.

screye 3y ago

It is sustainable, just not with the current polices. At its current first world standards, Canada should be able to attract top talent from any developing country. It has practically infinite space & resources. They can selectively import a mix of medicine, education and construction professionals to make sure that services keep in touch with the rising population. Sadly, their polices are all over the place. While the US skims from the top of the Indian talent pool, Canada seems hell bent on importing the most mediocre of Indian talent. This article does a good job of elaborating on the needles and massive hurdles faced by a foreign health-care professional, if they want to immigrate to Canada. You can complain about the shortcomings all you want, but the unwillingness to expand slots is a purely political decision. Similarly, despite having a massive housing shortage, housing remains firmly in the grasp of Canadian NIMBYs. All social-welfarist countries will need to find ways to replace their aging workforces. Some will try to promote fertility (Hungary, Poland?) and others will try immigration. There isn't much else you can do. For once, the US had had a mature and well thought out legal immigration system. It pretty much selects for only those who can productively contribute to the economy, and that's after drawing ~$200k in tuition and ~5-10 years of uncompensated social security taxes.

MichaelZuo 3y ago
> It has practically infinite space & resources. Not true for most of Canada on the Shield, the vast majority of land is close to barren rock, very hard rock at that, and way too cold & remote for economically viable anything (without huge subsidies from Ottawa), any mining/farming/etc. only happens in unusual pockets, like Sudbury where a big asteroid hit relatively recently in the geological past.

theironhammer 3y ago

Over 2 Million a year are coming in. Canada does not have infinite space. Most of the country is uninhabitable. It has a harsh climate. Most of the influx goes to two cities and their environs. Housing costs are the most expensive in the developed world.

beaeglebeached 3y ago
You could make like 20 more Calgaries east of the Rockies with prefabs pumped out WW2 style. The geography there ain't that unique.
- soupbowl 3y ago
  Except the last cold snap in Alberta almost took out their power grid. Canada needs infrastructure to build things out and we have not investment in what we have let alone what we need, how can we build out even just 1 more Calgary?
  - aprdm 3y ago
    People live in Texas and it /actually/ took out their power grid..
    - beaeglebeached 3y ago
      I have no power service at all. Generator+solar, not that hard to figure out what to do for weak grids.
- tharmas 3y ago
  But that's not how city economics works. And most immigrants are from India and China. They, quite rightly, prefer to settle in places were their are others who share the same language and culture. That's Toronto and Vancouver. That's also were the jobs are.
  - beaeglebeached 3y ago