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Most western countries are seeing severely declining birth rates right now. What is different about canada? Is this driven by immigration?
by JohnMakin 3y ago
Most western countries are seeing severely declining birth rates right now. What is different about canada? Is this driven by immigration?
- jeffbee 3y agoPeople tend to ignore or underestimate the contribution of longevity to population growth even while birth rates decline.
- shwoopdiwoop 3y agoWould that not make the situation worse? I would think that having more older people as part of the population means less productivity and a much bigger strain on the health care system.
- jeffbee 3y agoI don't know what qualitative framework you are using to judge "worse". I am only remarking that increasing longevity is a non-negligible contributor to population. The process involves births and deaths, so you can't look only at births. You have to look at how many people are dying at what ages.
- folkrav 3y agoLast I checked, in Quebec specifically, 25%+ of the population is 65 and up, and it's trending upward. Immigration rates definitely have to do with the shorter-term issues, but this has been going on for decades at this point.
- verisimi 3y agoYes. Opening paragraph: > Canada is going through an unprecedented growth spurt, having added well over a million people last year after a similarly historic intake in 2022.
- JohnMakin 3y ago“added 1 million people” is not super clear language as to the contributing factor
- bryanlarsen 3y agoAFAICT, "adding a million people" is double counting by adding the number of people who arrive and the number of people who obtain residency.
- rpeden 3y agoI don't think it's double counting unless StatsCan's population estimates are way off. For example, look at the delta between Q4 2022 and Q4 2023: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=171000...
- crowcroft 3y agoI can't find the article now so someone might want to fact check me, but I believe the figure is that 98% of Canada's population increase in 2023 was from immigration.
- bushbaba 3y agoThere’s 1 million international students in Canadian university right now. There’s just 38Miion people in Canada. Canada took immigration on steroids under their current government. Many think it’s not sustainable with housing, medical, education, and social services unable to absorb such large growth short term.
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- myth_drannon 3y agoJust to compare, US also has 1 million international students while having x10 population.
- smnrchrds 3y agoCanada's population has grown faster than the US. US is "only" 8x Canada now. Canada: 40.8 million (https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2018005-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2018005...) US: 336 million (https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://www.census.gov/popclock/)
- TMWNN 3y agoContext: Like the US, Canada allows international students to work. Unlike the US, Canada allows those students to work off campus, up to 40 hours a week. This has caused the rise of an entire industry, in which so-called institutions of higher learning (Conestoga, Lambton, Confederation) have 99% Indian "students" that work off campus, destroying the local job and housing markets.
- goodSteveramos 3y agoI think you meant to say immigrants alleviate the local labor shortage and contribute to the housing market.
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- dukeyukey 3y agoEntirely by immigration - Canada's fertility rate is low even by developed Western standards. Around 1.4 children per woman, compared to the US at 1.64, the UK at 1.56, and not far from Japan at 1.34
- jj999 3y agoYes. Birth rate is 1.4 by woman but immigration is 470k/y.
- theironhammer 3y agoDon't forget the visa immigrants. Students, special work permits like IT, refugees and illegals. It's 2+ Million a year.
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- rayiner 3y agoI was just in Toronto. It’s basically Indian Chicago.
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- jeffbee 3y agoThat sounds dope.
- gaudat 3y agoWait until you see Brampton
- bryanlarsen 3y agoI think the lower mainland has a much higher proportion of Indians than anywhere in Ontario.
- hollerith 3y ago>The Lower Mainland is a geographic and cultural region of the mainland coast of British Columbia that generally comprises the regional districts of Metro Vancouver and the Fraser Valley. --Wikipedia
- alephnerd 3y agoYep. The community is much older too - South Asians had been in the Lower Mainland since the 1880s-90s during the lumber boom.
- ThrowawayTestr 3y agoI thought Vancouver was mostly Chinese
- aprdm 3y agoIt's a very diverse place - you have people from basically everywhere.
- skissane 3y agoCanada has a “points-based” immigration system - you get points for various factors (university degrees, in-demand skills, etc), and anyone who gets over the cutoff can immigrate permanently. A lot easier to navigate and understand than the US rules. Hence, on a per capita basis, its immigration rate is 2-3 times that of the US. Australia and New Zealand are other countries with a points-based system. Australia likewise has much higher immigration than US, although currently not quite as high as Canada. New Zealand’s immigration levels have historically been higher than the US too, although the last few years have been a COVID-induced anomaly. (Again, when I say higher, I mean per capita - in absolute terms the US comes first globally, but per capita it is only about average.)