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> Pick a smaller town, a couple of hours outside of these locations, and there’s plenty of approachable housing. The housing is cheap for a reason. Usually, th

> Pick a smaller town, a couple of hours outside of these locations, and there’s plenty of approachable housing. The housing is cheap for a reason. Usually, the infrastructure is derelict turning what should be a 20 minute shopping trip to an 2 hour ordeal, there's nothing to spend your time other than some shoddy old bar selling moonshine and an improvised shooting range, there are no other young people, there is no Internet worth being called that (although Starlink has changed at least that equation), and on top of that comes the political disconnect between urban and rural areas.

aantix 3y ago
Starling absolutely changes this equation. Politics change as the people do. You have the opportunity to build the community you want. And own a home at very reasonable price, leaving money for so many more experiences. And some of the “desirable” cities, their public schools are arguably worse than any small school, rural experience. SF public schools have an atrocious reputation.
- jen20 3y ago
  The article is about England, not San Francisco and the assumptions do not hold about internet, school quality, rural areas being undesirable or much else really…
  - aantix 3y ago
    Starlink changes everything about Internet access. “Undesirable” - living in an area with a great home at reasonable price with beautiful views vs paying rent maybe forever or living with parents indefinitely? Which feels the most painful? Eventually when you can’t afford something, you find a new set of trade offs or build it from the ground up.
    - jen20 3y ago
      The point you're missing here is that in England (which the article is about), living in "the countryside" is not cheaper than living in a city in many cases, other than London - it's been more desirable to live in rural areas for a long time for a lot of people. It's practically a rite of passage for young professionals starting families to moving out of London to a village in the Cotswolds or Mendips. Starlink doesn't really change much in England either, where reasonable rural internet access has been prioritised for a long time. Perhaps it makes Scottish islands more accessible though.
wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
Theres tons of stuff to do!! Make a gocart. Build a barn. Raise some animals. Make a telescope! motorize it. Make statues, do electronics, paint, write poems, sing, play violin outside as loud as you want! Garden! Modern people really have forgotten how to have fun without malls and expensive shit! Dig a hole. Make a hil. BLOW IT UP. MAKE A BONFIRE. HUGE PARTY.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > Theres tons of stuff to do Agreed, but kids generally want to play around with other kids, and the more rural a place gets the less kids it has.
  - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
    People should have more kids! I bet being an only child in a rural setting is tough. I only had my one brother but it was awesome.
  - aantix 3y ago
    I find that small towns are one of the few places where kids regularly play outside. The tapestry has changed in large suburban neighborhoods. Kids stay inside so much more. It’s sad.
- nunez 3y ago
  Ah, yes, have tons of fun in or around your own home because there's jack around it for miles and miles. Also, most of the homes that are being built in the sub/ex-urban neighborhoods that people are moving into have HOAs that prohibit at least half of that stuff and lot sizes that prohibit the other half.
  - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
    I hate HOA too! Shouldnt be illegal! Guess I gotta move even more remote then.
- ryandrake 3y ago
argiopetech 3y ago
This is a very negative view of non-urban life that isn't reflected by any of the non-urban places I've lived.
- Kye 3y ago
  It's reflected in all the non-urban places I've lived including the current one. Though the internet situation is improving with the FCC's rural broadband initiative.
  - argiopetech 3y ago
    Fair enough, hurray for anecdata. My house has cable, but Mom's farm is on satellite (Hughes, then Exede, now Starlink). It's finally acceptable. My understanding is that the county took a RBI grant that was contracted and them absconded with, but I wasn't living here at the time and don't know the details.

aantix 3y ago

Starling absolutely changes this equation. Politics change as the people do. You have the opportunity to build the community you want. And own a home at very reasonable price, leaving money for so many more experiences. And some of the “desirable” cities, their public schools are arguably worse than any small school, rural experience. SF public schools have an atrocious reputation.

jen20 3y ago
The article is about England, not San Francisco and the assumptions do not hold about internet, school quality, rural areas being undesirable or much else really…
- aantix 3y ago
  Starlink changes everything about Internet access. “Undesirable” - living in an area with a great home at reasonable price with beautiful views vs paying rent maybe forever or living with parents indefinitely? Which feels the most painful? Eventually when you can’t afford something, you find a new set of trade offs or build it from the ground up.
  - jen20 3y ago
    The point you're missing here is that in England (which the article is about), living in "the countryside" is not cheaper than living in a city in many cases, other than London - it's been more desirable to live in rural areas for a long time for a lot of people. It's practically a rite of passage for young professionals starting families to moving out of London to a village in the Cotswolds or Mendips. Starlink doesn't really change much in England either, where reasonable rural internet access has been prioritised for a long time. Perhaps it makes Scottish islands more accessible though.

wegfawefgawefg 3y ago

Theres tons of stuff to do!! Make a gocart. Build a barn. Raise some animals. Make a telescope! motorize it. Make statues, do electronics, paint, write poems, sing, play violin outside as loud as you want! Garden! Modern people really have forgotten how to have fun without malls and expensive shit! Dig a hole. Make a hil. BLOW IT UP. MAKE A BONFIRE. HUGE PARTY.

mschuster91 3y ago
> Theres tons of stuff to do Agreed, but kids generally want to play around with other kids, and the more rural a place gets the less kids it has.
- wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
  People should have more kids! I bet being an only child in a rural setting is tough. I only had my one brother but it was awesome.
- aantix 3y ago
  I find that small towns are one of the few places where kids regularly play outside. The tapestry has changed in large suburban neighborhoods. Kids stay inside so much more. It’s sad.
nunez 3y ago
Ah, yes, have tons of fun in or around your own home because there's jack around it for miles and miles. Also, most of the homes that are being built in the sub/ex-urban neighborhoods that people are moving into have HOAs that prohibit at least half of that stuff and lot sizes that prohibit the other half.
- wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
  I hate HOA too! Shouldnt be illegal! Guess I gotta move even more remote then.
ryandrake 3y ago

argiopetech 3y ago

This is a very negative view of non-urban life that isn't reflected by any of the non-urban places I've lived.

Kye 3y ago
It's reflected in all the non-urban places I've lived including the current one. Though the internet situation is improving with the FCC's rural broadband initiative.
- argiopetech 3y ago
  Fair enough, hurray for anecdata. My house has cable, but Mom's farm is on satellite (Hughes, then Exede, now Starlink). It's finally acceptable. My understanding is that the county took a RBI grant that was contracted and them absconded with, but I wasn't living here at the time and don't know the details.