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There are a lot of people who think like this. It does seem to be more enterprisey people generally who are working with large older codebases. I'm not sure how

There are a lot of people who think like this. It does seem to be more enterprisey people generally who are working with large older codebases. I'm not sure how many people would design a product from ground up only using Java today.

UK-AL 14y ago
Maybe people who don't care how trendy the language is? There are thousands of well tested, well maintained libraries for java mainly because of the funding from the corporate world. What was the first API for amazon aws in? Java. Nearly everything has Java API because it is so well supported. Java developers don't get off on, programming language one upmanship. Some people like being boring... SAP? Jave API. Oracle? Java APIs. Google Stuff? Java APIs. Android? Java APIs nearly every piece of commercial software has java apis. I remember having to use a 3rd party django paypal plugin and it was half broken(IPN callbacks), that would be unlikely with Java. Ended up faffing about in its source code to get it working.
- Roritharr 14y ago
  Good point. Sometimes I ask myself why everyone thinks that Ruby Gems are so amazing. I've had all kinds of awesome Java Libs for years that work without much problems. Maven obviously isn't as nice as the way Ruby handles Gems, but to me it feels more structured.
- icebraining 14y ago
  As far as I know, you could use those APIs with any JVM language, not just Java. There's Clojure, Scala, Groovy, Jython, JRuby and probably a few others.
  - ajdecon 14y ago
    True; but for random programmer off the street, these languages impose an additional cognitive load. For a given Java library, most of the example code and documentation will be geared to Java itself, and translating that to "another JVM language" isn't always trivial. Especially since most programmers out there are not polyglots, work in a big company, and may not even by "programmers" but just "engineer/accountant/business person who programs a bit".
pjmlp 14y ago
Many people do. What is the business value for rewriting the code in the flavor of the month language? In what sense does it improve profit?

UK-AL 14y ago

Maybe people who don't care how trendy the language is? There are thousands of well tested, well maintained libraries for java mainly because of the funding from the corporate world. What was the first API for amazon aws in? Java. Nearly everything has Java API because it is so well supported. Java developers don't get off on, programming language one upmanship. Some people like being boring... SAP? Jave API. Oracle? Java APIs. Google Stuff? Java APIs. Android? Java APIs nearly every piece of commercial software has java apis. I remember having to use a 3rd party django paypal plugin and it was half broken(IPN callbacks), that would be unlikely with Java. Ended up faffing about in its source code to get it working.

Roritharr 14y ago
Good point. Sometimes I ask myself why everyone thinks that Ruby Gems are so amazing. I've had all kinds of awesome Java Libs for years that work without much problems. Maven obviously isn't as nice as the way Ruby handles Gems, but to me it feels more structured.
icebraining 14y ago
As far as I know, you could use those APIs with any JVM language, not just Java. There's Clojure, Scala, Groovy, Jython, JRuby and probably a few others.
- ajdecon 14y ago
  True; but for random programmer off the street, these languages impose an additional cognitive load. For a given Java library, most of the example code and documentation will be geared to Java itself, and translating that to "another JVM language" isn't always trivial. Especially since most programmers out there are not polyglots, work in a big company, and may not even by "programmers" but just "engineer/accountant/business person who programs a bit".

pjmlp 14y ago

Many people do. What is the business value for rewriting the code in the flavor of the month language? In what sense does it improve profit?