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(Which is why we need boosts of wisdom, which is why we need to implement actual, proper Intelligence.) This makes me sound as if you believe the human race ne
by b112 3y ago
(Which is why we need boosts of wisdom, which is why we need to implement actual, proper Intelligence.)
This makes me sound as if you believe the human race needs to be "parented". Worse, as if you believe it is not intelligent. Both of these things are entirely false.
If this is your belief, let me assure you that the very act of trying, will result in massive war, death, violence, and destruction. I literally kill nothing, even insects without deliberation on whether I have choice or not to do so. I have a cool head, and will not attack physically without great provocation, eg self-defense.
Yet were someone to start taking instructions from any form of AGI, I (and many people I know) would take that as an extinction level event greater than all out nuclear or biological war. I would view it as an attack by a dictatorial state, in fact as a 5th column, except with such vehemenistic angst and horror that I would show no restraint.
Any attempt to implement such instructions from our new "overlords", and I would raze everyone and everything involved to the ground. I'd probably want to have the offspring of those involved, and all family members of said persons, rendered infertile, just to ensure the flawed genes of those insane enough to try, didn't spread.
Why? For the safety and security of the human race!
Humanity may be flawed, but at the same time, you cannot "parent" humanity into "better things". We already 100% know what is needed. We 100% are aware of what's wrong, and right in this world. The only way to "save" humanity, is to literally wipe out all of those who do not agree, 100%, with you. Or alternatively, place a boot on their neck.
Would you do this? Would you and the new AGI masters, determine who breeds? Who lives? What traits are perfect? What culture? Would you employ re-education camps, for those capable of being re-educated?
Humanity must either get there on its own, or it must die. There is no middle ground. "Parenting" humanity will result at best in stunted growth, will result in no change, at worse will result in stagnation, regression, and the loss of who we are.
And we are Great. We are Good. We do horrible things to one another, we struggle, we strive against our fellows when we should not. Yet that does not detract from the good we do. The care we employ, the fact that even as we struggle, we also care. Certainly, what we don't need is for the parallels removed.
The parallel to attack, is to protect. The parallel to care, is to lash out. The parallel to be angry, is to love. An example, one perspective's attack, is another's protection of offspring. To care for another, means perceived lack of reciprocity may result in 'lashing out'. To be angry with another, you must be passionate and be capable of love.
If you do not understand how the good invokes the bad, and vice versa, than I suggest you stop meddling in the affairs of humans. And you, and your AGI good time pals, should go home and leave us alone.
If you believe this is an 'over the top' response, you literally have no idea. My response is predicated upon two core beliefs, and crafted with understanding of historical context. It is reasoned, considered over decades of thought, and not awash with emotion.
Yet I can assure you that such acts would quickly take such emotional hold upon most humans, that my response above may seem a very restrained.
- latexr 3y ago> let me assure you that the very act of trying, will result in massive war, death, violence, and destruction. How is that different from the status quo? War, death, violence, and destruction haven’t stopped for one bit since the inception of humanity. > Worse, as if you believe it is not intelligent. That is debatable. We’re capable of reasoning, sure, but that doesn’t mean we’re making the most intelligent decisions. See climate change and the aforementioned wars. > I would raze everyone and everything involved to the ground. I'd probably want to have the offspring of those involved, and all family members of said persons, rendered infertile, just to ensure the flawed genes of those insane enough to try, didn't spread. > Why? For the safety and security of the human race! It’s easy to rally against a hypothetical. Are you doing any of that against real problems of today which are demonstrably harming the human race? I’ll mention again war, climate change, and let’s throw in attacks against democracy. All are happening right now and there are clear people we can point to that are making all of those worse. > Humanity must either get there on its own, or it must die. There is no middle ground. "Parenting" humanity will result at best in stunted growth, will result in no change, at worse will result in stagnation, regression, and the loss of who we are. Look, I’m not at all defending humanity being controlled by an artificial intelligence, but all of this is hyperbole. The truth is we don’t know. It could just as well happen (and again, I’m not defending we should try) that humanity could be “parented” just enough to get back on track and the left on its own to flourish. That’s what parenting is. It’s temporary guidance, it’s not meant to last forever. > And we are Great. We are Good. Meh. Highly debatable. All the other species we share the planet with would likely disagree. > My response is predicated upon two core beliefs, and crafted with understanding of historical context. It is reasoned, considered over decades of thought, and not awash with emotion. Yet it reads borderline unhinged and like the IRC kids who when mocked say they have the other person’s IP address and will send the FBI to their house. Heck, I should be agreeing with you on principle yet I won’t because I don’t want my arguments and thoughts associated by such extremist-sounding rhetoric. Quite honestly I think you’re doing a disservice to your cause. If this is the result of decades of thought, please take a few more weeks to rephrase it in a way that is thoughtful to the other side and has any chance of convincing them. Because as it stands, I believe you’re pushing away those who could agree with you. And you’re not going to stop any of the things you worry about alone.
- 3y ago