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> nobody seems to be concerned in the slightest how to position Bluesky as an actual product I thought it was already positioned as a Twitter competitor with t

> nobody seems to be concerned in the slightest how to position Bluesky as an actual product I thought it was already positioned as a Twitter competitor with the aim to make it harder to censor. Its aim is to replace Twitter.

pfraze 3y ago
Harder to censor isn't exactly the goal. Harder to capture is. The point is to make social media providers replaceable so that users are able to express a choice. We do this already with the feed algorithms, which are predominantly third-party services within the community. As the rest of the protocol wraps, hosting and application services will be able to do the same.
- brabel 3y ago
  > The point is to make social media providers replaceable And how is that a sustainable business?
  - detourdog 3y ago
    Not paying close attention but I thought the problem being fixed was that twitter was a business and blustery is designed as a protocol.
  - _Algernon_ 3y ago
    The same way that any healthy market with competition is. The companies providing good services are sustainable, while those unable or unwilling to compete aren't.
    - that_guy_iain 3y ago
      Any healthy market with competition builds a wall of vendor lock-in. The aim is always easy to adopt hard to walk away from.
  - binary132 3y ago
    "How could a business succeed without trapping its customers?"
LAC-Tech 3y ago
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- mplewis 3y ago
  Who?
  - vdaea 3y ago
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    - mightyham 3y ago
      To the best of my knowledge, and further evidenced from some of Elon's leaked texts from last year, Jack Dorsey has always been an adamant defender of free speech. Advertisers and the government were probably the two largest forces driving censorship at the company.
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        I think that's right. He did appoint people who were definitely very comfortable censoring things, but he might've not been aware. When I've seen him in interviews, he doesn't seem especially aware in general!
  - LAC-Tech 3y ago
    Jack Dorsey. Isn't that when they were censoring news stories?
    - rakoo 3y ago
      Jack Dorsey started BlueSky / the AT protocol, but has left to greener pastures: Nostr
      - LAC-Tech 3y ago
        Oh, I did not know.
rchaud 3y ago
> Twitter competitor with the aim to make it harder to censor This problem has already been solved by Telegram. You will never get censorship-free anything if there's money to be made by making it not so. Bluesky, Nostr, all these non-Twitter Twitters will also cater to advertiser needs as soon as VC money enters the picture.

pfraze 3y ago

Harder to censor isn't exactly the goal. Harder to capture is. The point is to make social media providers replaceable so that users are able to express a choice. We do this already with the feed algorithms, which are predominantly third-party services within the community. As the rest of the protocol wraps, hosting and application services will be able to do the same.

brabel 3y ago
> The point is to make social media providers replaceable And how is that a sustainable business?
- detourdog 3y ago
  Not paying close attention but I thought the problem being fixed was that twitter was a business and blustery is designed as a protocol.
- _Algernon_ 3y ago
  The same way that any healthy market with competition is. The companies providing good services are sustainable, while those unable or unwilling to compete aren't.
  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
    Any healthy market with competition builds a wall of vendor lock-in. The aim is always easy to adopt hard to walk away from.
- binary132 3y ago
  "How could a business succeed without trapping its customers?"

LAC-Tech 3y ago

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mplewis 3y ago
Who?
- vdaea 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - mightyham 3y ago
    To the best of my knowledge, and further evidenced from some of Elon's leaked texts from last year, Jack Dorsey has always been an adamant defender of free speech. Advertisers and the government were probably the two largest forces driving censorship at the company.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      I think that's right. He did appoint people who were definitely very comfortable censoring things, but he might've not been aware. When I've seen him in interviews, he doesn't seem especially aware in general!
- LAC-Tech 3y ago
  Jack Dorsey. Isn't that when they were censoring news stories?
  - rakoo 3y ago
    Jack Dorsey started BlueSky / the AT protocol, but has left to greener pastures: Nostr
    - LAC-Tech 3y ago
      Oh, I did not know.

rchaud 3y ago

> Twitter competitor with the aim to make it harder to censor This problem has already been solved by Telegram. You will never get censorship-free anything if there's money to be made by making it not so. Bluesky, Nostr, all these non-Twitter Twitters will also cater to advertiser needs as soon as VC money enters the picture.