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Trump being banned from Twitter. That was literally why Jack Dorsey seeded this thing and hired these particular ex-cryptocurrency guys. He wanted a network whe

Trump being banned from Twitter. That was literally why Jack Dorsey seeded this thing and hired these particular ex-cryptocurrency guys. He wanted a network where people couldn't be completely banned. (Since then the network attracted a userbase that laughed Jack off the site for vaccine denialism, so lol)

rsynnott 3y ago
I mean, that seems in line with general free speech principles, really; you’re allowed say whatever you like, but also others are allowed point and say “that person is saying something stupid”. Part 2 here sometimes seems to upset some ‘free speech’ advocates, but it really is part and parcel of the whole thing.
- MomoXenosaga 3y ago
  Yeah no. I remember when the US "accidentally" bombed Al Jazeera. Think it was Afghanistan but it could be Iraq. Whatever the point stands: Everyone loves free speech until somebody says something they don't like. Basic human behaviour.
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    I think that's basic social behavior these days but I don't know if its basic human behavior. Maybe I'm just an outlier, but I honestly can't think of a time when I wanted to silence someone because I disagreed with their opinion. Say whatever you want, no one else should be able to stop that. And yes, unfortunately that opens the door for people to say things that a vast majority of us would disagree with to the point of thinking it dangerous. Unfortunately that's the price for free speech, drawing a line through a sea of gray area is an impossible task.
    - snapcaster 3y ago
      You are an outlier. I'm with you, but I think it's important to recognize that we are a very very tiny minority
pfraze 3y ago
I can't speak to Jack's thinking, but none of that tracks with how the team thinks, or is motivated by, or has built. My current work focus is on a moderation system which we've been designing from the start, and which includes both moderation by the application providers and the community. If you want to see my personal views on the matter, you can watch a talk I gave prior to joining the project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULFj714_Vvo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULFj714_Vvo
- pfraze 3y ago
  An additional thought- The decentralization community has never been unified in its views, and a fair number of people have worked on these projects together with different personal motives. What tends to be the common denominator is a concern about unchecked power. My perspective is that it's it's unavoidable to assign authority -- systems that claim to remove authority actually just obscure it -- and that it's more important to ensure the system has constrain power, creates transparency, and maintains the ability to reassign authority when the current operators lose trust. Ideally, this helps build trust in the people who do run a given system, while they're the ones with the job.

rsynnott 3y ago

I mean, that seems in line with general free speech principles, really; you’re allowed say whatever you like, but also others are allowed point and say “that person is saying something stupid”. Part 2 here sometimes seems to upset some ‘free speech’ advocates, but it really is part and parcel of the whole thing.

MomoXenosaga 3y ago
Yeah no. I remember when the US "accidentally" bombed Al Jazeera. Think it was Afghanistan but it could be Iraq. Whatever the point stands: Everyone loves free speech until somebody says something they don't like. Basic human behaviour.
- _heimdall 3y ago
  I think that's basic social behavior these days but I don't know if its basic human behavior. Maybe I'm just an outlier, but I honestly can't think of a time when I wanted to silence someone because I disagreed with their opinion. Say whatever you want, no one else should be able to stop that. And yes, unfortunately that opens the door for people to say things that a vast majority of us would disagree with to the point of thinking it dangerous. Unfortunately that's the price for free speech, drawing a line through a sea of gray area is an impossible task.
  - snapcaster 3y ago
    You are an outlier. I'm with you, but I think it's important to recognize that we are a very very tiny minority

pfraze 3y ago

I can't speak to Jack's thinking, but none of that tracks with how the team thinks, or is motivated by, or has built. My current work focus is on a moderation system which we've been designing from the start, and which includes both moderation by the application providers and the community. If you want to see my personal views on the matter, you can watch a talk I gave prior to joining the project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULFj714_Vvo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULFj714_Vvo

pfraze 3y ago
An additional thought- The decentralization community has never been unified in its views, and a fair number of people have worked on these projects together with different personal motives. What tends to be the common denominator is a concern about unchecked power. My perspective is that it's it's unavoidable to assign authority -- systems that claim to remove authority actually just obscure it -- and that it's more important to ensure the system has constrain power, creates transparency, and maintains the ability to reassign authority when the current operators lose trust. Ideally, this helps build trust in the people who do run a given system, while they're the ones with the job.