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The author compares this model to the web, but it also sounds something like GitHub, but with more cryptography. Users publish their own repositories, but you s
by skybrian 3y ago
The author compares this model to the web, but it also sounds something like GitHub, but with more cryptography. Users publish their own repositories, but you still need big, expensive services to index it all and help people find each other.
Currently the BlueSky search engine is pretty bad; it only goes back a few hours. If you don't post for a day, none of your posts will be found. Searching on obscure terms doesn't work very well.
- pfraze 3y agoDon't look at our search service as deeply correlated to the indexing model. That's not the point of the comparison, and our search service is quite subpar. We've only had time to put an ElasticSearch instance against the data, do some basic tuning, and then keep it online while we focus elsewhere.
- crotchfire 3y ago> you still need big, expensive services to help people find each other No, you really don't.
- jazzyjackson 3y agoThe BlueSky architecture takes it for granted that you do. That's why they split up "personal data servers" and relays (fka "big graph service") If you have 10 million people all spread out across small servers, how do you suggest I find everyone posting a particular hashtag?
- _heimdall 3y agoLinks worked well enough for the web, Google just came along and painted a picture of being able to find whatever you want whenever you want it. Social graphs can offer a similar discoverability without search. You see what those you follow post, comment on, like, share, etc. Following tags just like you follow a person also works well. Before assuming we must have to have massive indexing and searching services, ask yourself whether you really need to be able to discover anything that anyone around the world posts, regardless of whether you have any sort of connection to that person, their context, their society, or their culture.
- realfeel78 3y agoYou or I might not on a given day depending on our particular limited purposes, but the greater world around us absolutely does.
- _heimdall 3y agoI'm actually curious, what's a use case that really makes the broader system better by being able to discover content from anyone, anywhere? The best I can come up with is a historical record. Beyond that I'm at a loss for a use case that is noticeably better with search compared to social graph-based discovery.
- edgyquant 3y agoHow do you propose to see all of this without downloading that info?
- _heimdall 3y agoI'm not quite sure what you mean, sorry. My point was that something like BlueSky can make content more discoverable by letting you build your own social graph and view content from those you're connected to. Search is most useful for discovering content that you otherwise have no connection to at all. There is also the historical aspect and there really isn't a way around that, but in the original context of finding people actively talking about a specific topic it isn't a necessarily must-have feature.
- edgyquant 3y agoRight my point is you’re basically describing a search engine and that requires constant downloads and storage for it. Any useful graph that comes close to current social media levels of discoverability is going to require lots of storage. Otherwise you’re talking about a simple feed on someone else’s computer delivered to you and this defeats the purpose of federalization.
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