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> The logical answer is to add more chargers. And to finally agree on a charging standard and to guarantee that all brands of charger will charge all brands of

> The logical answer is to add more chargers. And to finally agree on a charging standard and to guarantee that all brands of charger will charge all brands of EV on that standard. It is profoundly stupid to not agree on a charging standard. North America is now slowly standardizing on CCS with Tesla's plug on the end. It is profoundly stupid to tolerate charging infrastructure which only charges one brand. You can fuel your ICE vehicle at any fuel station and you should be able to charge your EV at any charging station. Anything less than that is substandard, backward, and primitive. Europe is so much further ahead of North America on EV infrastructure because Europe standardized on CCS type 2 Combo. Having a common standard has driven the investment into and the development of charging networks. Europe has almost, but not totally, stamped out brand exclusive chargers. The remaining brand exclusive chargers need to be opened to all EVs. > So while we’re waiting for that “convenient charging network” to appear, what should we do? Emulate Europe. They're leading on this. Here's the European charging infrastructure plan for the rest of the decade: https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-energies/europe/article/fast-chargers-every-60-km-key-eu-motorways?a=FJA05&t%5B0%5D=Charging&curl=1 https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-energies/europe/article/f...

hooo 3y ago
I thought more and more companies were switching to Tesla's connector? Anyways, I'm glad the North American standard is coalescing around Tesla's vs what is in Europe. The Tesla plug is much more compact, durable and more pleasant.
- clouddrover 3y ago
  > I thought more and more companies were switching to Tesla's connector? The chargers will be CCS with Tesla's plug on the end. It's CCS type 3.
- 486sx33 3y ago
  I love the Tesla plug
maximus-decimus 3y ago
> It is profoundly stupid to not agree on a charging standard. North America is now slowly standardizing on CCS with Tesla's plug on the end. Or maybe it's smart to subsidize companies making their standard open so that the companies can pick the best one. It took what, less than 1 year after the subsidies were introduced for basically everybody announcing they're switching to Tesla's standard? EVs are one thing too, but I really feel like the EU is gonna stunt tech advancements with making usb-c mandatory for everything.
- clouddrover 3y ago
  > It took what, less than 1 year It's taken a decade and it will be years more of fiddling around switching plugs and inlets. Europe standardized on CCS type 2 Combo in 2014. Europe is deploying 400 kW public chargers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR2M5W6saAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR2M5W6saAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ZWN_-a2j4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ZWN_-a2j4 North America is still trying to work out how to plug in.
  - maximus-decimus 3y ago
    I dug deeper and the subsidies I'm talking about were announced in 2021 and Tesla created the standard in November 2022 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standa... Those are the interesting parts >As part of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law passed in 2021, the US Government announced it would offer $7.5 billion in federal subsidies to build out a nationwide network of fast chargers at least every 50 miles along America’s major roads. One requirement to access the funding was that the chargers must be accessible by multiple brands of electric cars. > In May 2023, the Ford Motor Company became the first large automaker to announce that it would use NACS with their electric vehicles.[19] Starting in 2025, new Ford electric vehicles will have native NACS charge ports and prior electric Ford models will be able to connect to NACS chargers by use of a NACS to CCS1 adapter. >From June 2023 through January 2024, automakers BMW Group, Fisker, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai Motor Group, Jaguar Land Rover, Lucid Motors, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Polestar, Rivian, Subaru, Toyota, Volvo Cars, and Volkswagen Group all announced that they would equip their electric vehicles sold in the North American market with NACS charge ports from the factory starting in 2025, with adapters available for existing vehicles.[27][28][29] As of January 2024, Mitsubishi Motors and Stellantis, are the only legacy automakers who have not announced that they will adopt NACS.[30] To me, this seems like the connector war is finished.

hooo 3y ago

I thought more and more companies were switching to Tesla's connector? Anyways, I'm glad the North American standard is coalescing around Tesla's vs what is in Europe. The Tesla plug is much more compact, durable and more pleasant.

clouddrover 3y ago
> I thought more and more companies were switching to Tesla's connector? The chargers will be CCS with Tesla's plug on the end. It's CCS type 3.
486sx33 3y ago
I love the Tesla plug

maximus-decimus 3y ago

> It is profoundly stupid to not agree on a charging standard. North America is now slowly standardizing on CCS with Tesla's plug on the end. Or maybe it's smart to subsidize companies making their standard open so that the companies can pick the best one. It took what, less than 1 year after the subsidies were introduced for basically everybody announcing they're switching to Tesla's standard? EVs are one thing too, but I really feel like the EU is gonna stunt tech advancements with making usb-c mandatory for everything.

clouddrover 3y ago
> It took what, less than 1 year It's taken a decade and it will be years more of fiddling around switching plugs and inlets. Europe standardized on CCS type 2 Combo in 2014. Europe is deploying 400 kW public chargers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR2M5W6saAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR2M5W6saAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ZWN_-a2j4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ZWN_-a2j4 North America is still trying to work out how to plug in.
- maximus-decimus 3y ago
  I dug deeper and the subsidies I'm talking about were announced in 2021 and Tesla created the standard in November 2022 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standa... Those are the interesting parts >As part of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law passed in 2021, the US Government announced it would offer $7.5 billion in federal subsidies to build out a nationwide network of fast chargers at least every 50 miles along America’s major roads. One requirement to access the funding was that the chargers must be accessible by multiple brands of electric cars. > In May 2023, the Ford Motor Company became the first large automaker to announce that it would use NACS with their electric vehicles.[19] Starting in 2025, new Ford electric vehicles will have native NACS charge ports and prior electric Ford models will be able to connect to NACS chargers by use of a NACS to CCS1 adapter. >From June 2023 through January 2024, automakers BMW Group, Fisker, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai Motor Group, Jaguar Land Rover, Lucid Motors, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Polestar, Rivian, Subaru, Toyota, Volvo Cars, and Volkswagen Group all announced that they would equip their electric vehicles sold in the North American market with NACS charge ports from the factory starting in 2025, with adapters available for existing vehicles.[27][28][29] As of January 2024, Mitsubishi Motors and Stellantis, are the only legacy automakers who have not announced that they will adopt NACS.[30] To me, this seems like the connector war is finished.