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No... lol. The amount of people who believe this garbage is amazing. Huawei has literal PRC members on its board and the PRC funded it with billions of dollars

No... lol. The amount of people who believe this garbage is amazing. Huawei has literal PRC members on its board and the PRC funded it with billions of dollars. Do I have to remind you that Chinese state-sponsored hackers broke into Cisco and other western firms and intellectual property stolen from those companies ended up in Huawei products? Do you have anything similar to show how the US government personally helped Google?

gpderetta 3y ago
While PRC steals IP from Cisco, generous NSA "gifts" Cisco with its own IP.
- beavermatic 3y ago
  NSA has developed a crap-ton of stuff they just pass on to opensource... Like SELinux which is in quite a few major distros these days. Even US Naval Research labs developed the infamous TOR concept and toolkits. Yes, thats right... all the folks scouring the deep/dark web are literally using tools developed by the US government, lol. Here's a ton more opensource stuff developed or contributed to by the NSA: https://code.nsa.gov/ https://code.nsa.gov/
- adolph 3y ago
  Given the transitive property, does that mean the NSA “gifts” IP to the PRC? Edit: clearly it is wrong, terribly wrong, for Federal dollars to be used as such a gift to the PRC.
- aa_is_op 3y ago
  Source for this? Or you just pulled it from a Substack newsletter with 5 followers? What exactly does "gifting Cisco with its own IP" means? And please be generous with your conspiracy theory links.
tansan 3y ago
Whoa I didn't know this. Is there a documentary on this?
- aa_is_op 3y ago
  Literally one google search away: https://www.wired.com/story/us-hits-huawei-new-charges-trade-secret-theft/ https://www.wired.com/story/us-hits-huawei-new-charges-trade...
hilbert42 3y ago
No doubt what you say about the PRC is true. That said, I'd be damned surprised if Huawei's claims about HarmonyOS aren't true. Likely claims about performance are exaggerated but with the hindsight of Linux and Android and then starting afresh even moderate performers ought to be able to do better. Of course, I wouldn't trust HarmonyOS farther than I could throw it but that's nothing to do with performance.
6510 3y ago
> Do you have anything similar to show how the US government personally helped Google? Ah you want to know about THE CONSPIRACY. O well, since you've asked. The story is this! Apparently the US gov has some 50000+ different entities, county's, schools etc each with many little jars of earmarked monies for little this and that's, few hundred million here, a billion or 2 there, they are quite a lot of jars, A LOT, but the money isn't just sitting there collecting dust. Much of the money has been invested. Government in that way is not just in bed with big business. They are 2 heads on the same body. The USA in that way is more communist than the ccp and cccp combined. I'm not sure how true the story is, I haven't the time to read all the documents. It does make for a quality campfire story. https://web.archive.org/web/20191001201707/https://cafr1.com/CAFR-Examples.html https://web.archive.org/web/20191001201707/https://cafr1.com...
hulitu 3y ago
> Do I have to remind you that Chinese state-sponsored hackers broke into Cisco Do i have to remind you that Cisco had remote accessible backdors, maybe planted by the US government ? /s Why use double standards ? (Of course, as long as you don't have anything to hide, it is no problem)

gpderetta 3y ago

While PRC steals IP from Cisco, generous NSA "gifts" Cisco with its own IP.

beavermatic 3y ago
NSA has developed a crap-ton of stuff they just pass on to opensource... Like SELinux which is in quite a few major distros these days. Even US Naval Research labs developed the infamous TOR concept and toolkits. Yes, thats right... all the folks scouring the deep/dark web are literally using tools developed by the US government, lol. Here's a ton more opensource stuff developed or contributed to by the NSA: https://code.nsa.gov/ https://code.nsa.gov/
adolph 3y ago
Given the transitive property, does that mean the NSA “gifts” IP to the PRC? Edit: clearly it is wrong, terribly wrong, for Federal dollars to be used as such a gift to the PRC.
aa_is_op 3y ago
Source for this? Or you just pulled it from a Substack newsletter with 5 followers? What exactly does "gifting Cisco with its own IP" means? And please be generous with your conspiracy theory links.

tansan 3y ago

Whoa I didn't know this. Is there a documentary on this?

aa_is_op 3y ago
Literally one google search away: https://www.wired.com/story/us-hits-huawei-new-charges-trade-secret-theft/ https://www.wired.com/story/us-hits-huawei-new-charges-trade...

hilbert42 3y ago

No doubt what you say about the PRC is true. That said, I'd be damned surprised if Huawei's claims about HarmonyOS aren't true. Likely claims about performance are exaggerated but with the hindsight of Linux and Android and then starting afresh even moderate performers ought to be able to do better. Of course, I wouldn't trust HarmonyOS farther than I could throw it but that's nothing to do with performance.

6510 3y ago

> Do you have anything similar to show how the US government personally helped Google? Ah you want to know about THE CONSPIRACY. O well, since you've asked. The story is this! Apparently the US gov has some 50000+ different entities, county's, schools etc each with many little jars of earmarked monies for little this and that's, few hundred million here, a billion or 2 there, they are quite a lot of jars, A LOT, but the money isn't just sitting there collecting dust. Much of the money has been invested. Government in that way is not just in bed with big business. They are 2 heads on the same body. The USA in that way is more communist than the ccp and cccp combined. I'm not sure how true the story is, I haven't the time to read all the documents. It does make for a quality campfire story. https://web.archive.org/web/20191001201707/https://cafr1.com/CAFR-Examples.html https://web.archive.org/web/20191001201707/https://cafr1.com...

hulitu 3y ago

> Do I have to remind you that Chinese state-sponsored hackers broke into Cisco Do i have to remind you that Cisco had remote accessible backdors, maybe planted by the US government ? /s Why use double standards ? (Of course, as long as you don't have anything to hide, it is no problem)