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Is google not a secret arm of american intelligence agencies? They own half of the world's phones

aa_is_op 3y ago
No... lol. The amount of people who believe this garbage is amazing. Huawei has literal PRC members on its board and the PRC funded it with billions of dollars. Do I have to remind you that Chinese state-sponsored hackers broke into Cisco and other western firms and intellectual property stolen from those companies ended up in Huawei products? Do you have anything similar to show how the US government personally helped Google?
- gpderetta 3y ago
  While PRC steals IP from Cisco, generous NSA "gifts" Cisco with its own IP.
  - beavermatic 3y ago
    NSA has developed a crap-ton of stuff they just pass on to opensource... Like SELinux which is in quite a few major distros these days. Even US Naval Research labs developed the infamous TOR concept and toolkits. Yes, thats right... all the folks scouring the deep/dark web are literally using tools developed by the US government, lol. Here's a ton more opensource stuff developed or contributed to by the NSA: https://code.nsa.gov/ https://code.nsa.gov/
  - adolph 3y ago
    Given the transitive property, does that mean the NSA “gifts” IP to the PRC? Edit: clearly it is wrong, terribly wrong, for Federal dollars to be used as such a gift to the PRC.
  - aa_is_op 3y ago
    Source for this? Or you just pulled it from a Substack newsletter with 5 followers? What exactly does "gifting Cisco with its own IP" means? And please be generous with your conspiracy theory links.
- tansan 3y ago
  Whoa I didn't know this. Is there a documentary on this?
  - aa_is_op 3y ago
    Literally one google search away: https://www.wired.com/story/us-hits-huawei-new-charges-trade-secret-theft/ https://www.wired.com/story/us-hits-huawei-new-charges-trade...
- hilbert42 3y ago
  No doubt what you say about the PRC is true. That said, I'd be damned surprised if Huawei's claims about HarmonyOS aren't true. Likely claims about performance are exaggerated but with the hindsight of Linux and Android and then starting afresh even moderate performers ought to be able to do better. Of course, I wouldn't trust HarmonyOS farther than I could throw it but that's nothing to do with performance.
- 6510 3y ago
  > Do you have anything similar to show how the US government personally helped Google? Ah you want to know about THE CONSPIRACY. O well, since you've asked. The story is this! Apparently the US gov has some 50000+ different entities, county's, schools etc each with many little jars of earmarked monies for little this and that's, few hundred million here, a billion or 2 there, they are quite a lot of jars, A LOT, but the money isn't just sitting there collecting dust. Much of the money has been invested. Government in that way is not just in bed with big business. They are 2 heads on the same body. The USA in that way is more communist than the ccp and cccp combined. I'm not sure how true the story is, I haven't the time to read all the documents. It does make for a quality campfire story. https://web.archive.org/web/20191001201707/https://cafr1.com/CAFR-Examples.html https://web.archive.org/web/20191001201707/https://cafr1.com...
- hulitu 3y ago
  > Do I have to remind you that Chinese state-sponsored hackers broke into Cisco Do i have to remind you that Cisco had remote accessible backdors, maybe planted by the US government ? /s Why use double standards ? (Of course, as long as you don't have anything to hide, it is no problem)
threeseed 3y ago
a) Google owns about 5% of US phones and 0.5% globally. b) Android is an open operating system which you would need to modify in order to implement undetectable data collection strategies. No evidence to date that the US agencies have modified the OS.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  c) It doesn't matter whether it runs unmodified AOSP if supply chain attacks are a thing at both a hardware and firmware level. https://www.hackster.io/news/researchers-spot-silicon-level-hardware-trojans-in-chips-release-their-algorithm-for-all-to-try-ba00bbd56248 https://www.hackster.io/news/researchers-spot-silicon-level-... People like to worry about big organizations, govs and corporations, but these threats are implemented by single human beings and can be exploited by single human beings who know of them.
beebeepka 3y ago
Google pretty much exploded 8n size around 2003 which, as luck would have it, coincided with a major US led invasion of oil rich country and major US companies being asked to spy on everyone.
geor9e 3y ago
Google phones all run on top of Linux kernel. Google doesn't make a kernel. Well, technically they make Fuchsia, but that kernel only ever shipped on a sum total of 3 smart display devices.
- kelipso 3y ago
  For all practical purposes, it's Android and the use of Android/google services that relevant in this context and not Linux.
  - geor9e 3y ago
    What is "this context"? It's an article about Harmony kernel vs Linux kernel. The only mention of Android I see is the CEO clarifying that it's not Android.
    - kelipso 3y ago
      The context is you replied to a post talking about google.

No... lol. The amount of people who believe this garbage is amazing. Huawei has literal PRC members on its board and the PRC funded it with billions of dollars. Do I have to remind you that Chinese state-sponsored hackers broke into Cisco and other western firms and intellectual property stolen from those companies ended up in Huawei products? Do you have anything similar to show how the US government personally helped Google?

gpderetta 3y ago
While PRC steals IP from Cisco, generous NSA "gifts" Cisco with its own IP.
- beavermatic 3y ago
  NSA has developed a crap-ton of stuff they just pass on to opensource... Like SELinux which is in quite a few major distros these days. Even US Naval Research labs developed the infamous TOR concept and toolkits. Yes, thats right... all the folks scouring the deep/dark web are literally using tools developed by the US government, lol. Here's a ton more opensource stuff developed or contributed to by the NSA: https://code.nsa.gov/ https://code.nsa.gov/
- adolph 3y ago
  Given the transitive property, does that mean the NSA “gifts” IP to the PRC? Edit: clearly it is wrong, terribly wrong, for Federal dollars to be used as such a gift to the PRC.
- aa_is_op 3y ago
  Source for this? Or you just pulled it from a Substack newsletter with 5 followers? What exactly does "gifting Cisco with its own IP" means? And please be generous with your conspiracy theory links.
tansan 3y ago
Whoa I didn't know this. Is there a documentary on this?
- aa_is_op 3y ago
  Literally one google search away: https://www.wired.com/story/us-hits-huawei-new-charges-trade-secret-theft/ https://www.wired.com/story/us-hits-huawei-new-charges-trade...
hilbert42 3y ago
No doubt what you say about the PRC is true. That said, I'd be damned surprised if Huawei's claims about HarmonyOS aren't true. Likely claims about performance are exaggerated but with the hindsight of Linux and Android and then starting afresh even moderate performers ought to be able to do better. Of course, I wouldn't trust HarmonyOS farther than I could throw it but that's nothing to do with performance.
6510 3y ago
> Do you have anything similar to show how the US government personally helped Google? Ah you want to know about THE CONSPIRACY. O well, since you've asked. The story is this! Apparently the US gov has some 50000+ different entities, county's, schools etc each with many little jars of earmarked monies for little this and that's, few hundred million here, a billion or 2 there, they are quite a lot of jars, A LOT, but the money isn't just sitting there collecting dust. Much of the money has been invested. Government in that way is not just in bed with big business. They are 2 heads on the same body. The USA in that way is more communist than the ccp and cccp combined. I'm not sure how true the story is, I haven't the time to read all the documents. It does make for a quality campfire story. https://web.archive.org/web/20191001201707/https://cafr1.com/CAFR-Examples.html https://web.archive.org/web/20191001201707/https://cafr1.com...
hulitu 3y ago
> Do I have to remind you that Chinese state-sponsored hackers broke into Cisco Do i have to remind you that Cisco had remote accessible backdors, maybe planted by the US government ? /s Why use double standards ? (Of course, as long as you don't have anything to hide, it is no problem)

threeseed 3y ago

a) Google owns about 5% of US phones and 0.5% globally. b) Android is an open operating system which you would need to modify in order to implement undetectable data collection strategies. No evidence to date that the US agencies have modified the OS.

hammyhavoc 3y ago
c) It doesn't matter whether it runs unmodified AOSP if supply chain attacks are a thing at both a hardware and firmware level. https://www.hackster.io/news/researchers-spot-silicon-level-hardware-trojans-in-chips-release-their-algorithm-for-all-to-try-ba00bbd56248 https://www.hackster.io/news/researchers-spot-silicon-level-... People like to worry about big organizations, govs and corporations, but these threats are implemented by single human beings and can be exploited by single human beings who know of them.

beebeepka 3y ago

Google pretty much exploded 8n size around 2003 which, as luck would have it, coincided with a major US led invasion of oil rich country and major US companies being asked to spy on everyone.

geor9e 3y ago

Google phones all run on top of Linux kernel. Google doesn't make a kernel. Well, technically they make Fuchsia, but that kernel only ever shipped on a sum total of 3 smart display devices.

kelipso 3y ago
For all practical purposes, it's Android and the use of Android/google services that relevant in this context and not Linux.
- geor9e 3y ago
  What is "this context"? It's an article about Harmony kernel vs Linux kernel. The only mention of Android I see is the CEO clarifying that it's not Android.
  - kelipso 3y ago
    The context is you replied to a post talking about google.