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< Next, let's talk about how I miss CRTs Best television I had was a HD Sony CRT. Incredible picture. Also weighed over 230 pounds. My back does not miss CR

< Next, let's talk about how I miss CRTs Best television I had was a HD Sony CRT. Incredible picture. Also weighed over 230 pounds. My back does not miss CRTs

c0pium 3y ago
I guarantee you that this is not the case. Go watch an old CRT, even the eye-wateringly expensive ones sucked compared to even a mediocre OLED. We just think they were great because of the SD pieces of crap we compared them to. Ditto for all of the technology Millennials have ennui for.
- shiroiuma 3y ago
  As an Xer who grew up with all these old technologies and saw the transitions to modern stuff, I fully agree. It's odd how Millennials are so interested in obsolete and obviously inferior technologies like LPs and Polaroid photos. There's very, very few cases I can think of where an older technology really was better in a significant way. Mechanical keyboards like the IBM Model M (or better yet, the Model F, though the layouts on those keyboards sucked) were really great, but they were also expensive, and we do have all the Cherry-switch mech keyboards now, though personally I don't like them as much. However, one big negative trend I do see is with streaming services and the entire lack of ownership this carries. This isn't really a technology problem: there's nothing stopping you from buying real CDs and ripping them to FLAC and listening to those on your phone, for instance (that's what I do). I'd call this a mis-application of new technology, similar to how so much software is so ridiculously slow and laggy: it's entirely possible (and easier than ever before with modern tooling) to write software that performs well, but people are just too lazy to do it, and insist on building in too much BS like ads and tracking.
  - Klonoar 3y ago
    I theorize that it comes down to: newer stuff is better, but as a society we’ve somehow made everything trend towards being super impersonal, and thus the next gen is searching for that feeling.
    - argiopetech 3y ago
      This is is for me. I don't put on a record when I want to work out or drive in the car or hear some ear worm, but I do when I want to create a comfortable, relaxing environment. The lower (than FLAC through nice headphones) fidelity, the soft hum of the turn table, the physical act of choosing and placing a record on a turn table that hasn't changed since it was built 50+ years ago... It's a mechanical thing that requires care and maintenance (though not too much of either), and that brings me joy. It's a stark contrast to mousing/thumbing around on a bright screen.
      - deleted 3y ago
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  - sfn42 3y ago
    Personally I don't really see the point of ownership. If I can listen to the music I'm good, I don't need to "own" a copy. I'm probably an outlier, I don't really see the point of collecting things in general. Seems strange to me to have a hobby that consists of literally just buying things.
    - KptMarchewa 3y ago
      I agree with you. Though my reason is that if I were somehow deprived of listening to particular album or watching particular movie, I would not really care.
    - shiroiuma 3y ago
      Two problems: 1) As people have found out all too often, something you previous had access to, suddenly you don't because the streaming service suddenly removes it for some reason. This is extremely common. This is much more common with movies, admittedly. 2) For music in particular, why pay a monthly fee for something you listen to over and over? That seems very strange to me. I own albums I've had for decades; the idea that I should have been paying a monthly fee just to keep access to them sounds literally insane.
- acuozzo 3y ago
  Keep in mind that the OP stated "HD CRT". Large 1080i 16:9 CRT TVs existed for several years. Several had HDMI inputs. They were massive. I once conducted a side-by-side with a Pioneer Kuro plasma, PRO-111fd. Both sets were ISF calibrated with a colorimeter. The HD CRT was visibly and measurably better in nearly every category, most noticeably in black level. I, unfortunately, don't remember the model number of the HD CRT in question, but I know it was produced by Sony. The KD-34XBR960 looks close to what I remember.
- Fluorescence 3y ago
  There are some things that look better on a CRT e.g. pixel art games or shoddy set design that you really don't want to see without an Instagram like filter to suspend your belief. Too much of what people think is fidelity is actually a type of noise e.g. what matters to me in a drama is the writing, acting, plot, ideas and message. Going from 320p to 4320p does not add signal if it means I can see all the seams in the set, all the make-up, how badly the wigs fit etc... it's actually added noise. > Ditto for all of the technology Millennials have ennui for. Do you mean ennui (apathy)? Or do you mean nostalgia, yearning, yen, rose-tinted romanticism etc.?
- argiopetech 3y ago
  It's not about the resolution, it's about the sound they make as the tube powers up, and the smell, and the slight whistle in operation. They're also have excellent refresh rate and add no latency to the incoming signal. I still have a CRT for my SNES. It's not in the best of shape (bit of burn-in from a previous owner), but it makes me happy every time it turns on.
  - malfist 3y ago
    You might call it a "slight whistle" but I call it a headache inducing high pitched screech
    - argiopetech 3y ago
      That might be the sign of a bad flyback transformer. It shouldn't be hard on the hearing. That said, if every CRT is like that, you may just be blessed/cursed with good high-range hearing. One of my siblings can't drive in my truck because the turbo bothers her hearing -- I bet she doesn't like CRTs either.
argiopetech 3y ago
I had one HD CRT. I don't recall the brand. It was definitely an opportunity for a hand cart and a helper...

< Next, let's talk about how I miss CRTs Best television I had was a HD Sony CRT. Incredible picture. Also weighed over 230 pounds. My back does not miss CRTs

c0pium 3y ago

I guarantee you that this is not the case. Go watch an old CRT, even the eye-wateringly expensive ones sucked compared to even a mediocre OLED. We just think they were great because of the SD pieces of crap we compared them to. Ditto for all of the technology Millennials have ennui for.

shiroiuma 3y ago
As an Xer who grew up with all these old technologies and saw the transitions to modern stuff, I fully agree. It's odd how Millennials are so interested in obsolete and obviously inferior technologies like LPs and Polaroid photos. There's very, very few cases I can think of where an older technology really was better in a significant way. Mechanical keyboards like the IBM Model M (or better yet, the Model F, though the layouts on those keyboards sucked) were really great, but they were also expensive, and we do have all the Cherry-switch mech keyboards now, though personally I don't like them as much. However, one big negative trend I do see is with streaming services and the entire lack of ownership this carries. This isn't really a technology problem: there's nothing stopping you from buying real CDs and ripping them to FLAC and listening to those on your phone, for instance (that's what I do). I'd call this a mis-application of new technology, similar to how so much software is so ridiculously slow and laggy: it's entirely possible (and easier than ever before with modern tooling) to write software that performs well, but people are just too lazy to do it, and insist on building in too much BS like ads and tracking.
- Klonoar 3y ago
  I theorize that it comes down to: newer stuff is better, but as a society we’ve somehow made everything trend towards being super impersonal, and thus the next gen is searching for that feeling.
  - argiopetech 3y ago
    This is is for me. I don't put on a record when I want to work out or drive in the car or hear some ear worm, but I do when I want to create a comfortable, relaxing environment. The lower (than FLAC through nice headphones) fidelity, the soft hum of the turn table, the physical act of choosing and placing a record on a turn table that hasn't changed since it was built 50+ years ago... It's a mechanical thing that requires care and maintenance (though not too much of either), and that brings me joy. It's a stark contrast to mousing/thumbing around on a bright screen.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
- sfn42 3y ago
  Personally I don't really see the point of ownership. If I can listen to the music I'm good, I don't need to "own" a copy. I'm probably an outlier, I don't really see the point of collecting things in general. Seems strange to me to have a hobby that consists of literally just buying things.
  - KptMarchewa 3y ago
    I agree with you. Though my reason is that if I were somehow deprived of listening to particular album or watching particular movie, I would not really care.
  - shiroiuma 3y ago
    Two problems: 1) As people have found out all too often, something you previous had access to, suddenly you don't because the streaming service suddenly removes it for some reason. This is extremely common. This is much more common with movies, admittedly. 2) For music in particular, why pay a monthly fee for something you listen to over and over? That seems very strange to me. I own albums I've had for decades; the idea that I should have been paying a monthly fee just to keep access to them sounds literally insane.
acuozzo 3y ago
Keep in mind that the OP stated "HD CRT". Large 1080i 16:9 CRT TVs existed for several years. Several had HDMI inputs. They were massive. I once conducted a side-by-side with a Pioneer Kuro plasma, PRO-111fd. Both sets were ISF calibrated with a colorimeter. The HD CRT was visibly and measurably better in nearly every category, most noticeably in black level. I, unfortunately, don't remember the model number of the HD CRT in question, but I know it was produced by Sony. The KD-34XBR960 looks close to what I remember.
Fluorescence 3y ago
There are some things that look better on a CRT e.g. pixel art games or shoddy set design that you really don't want to see without an Instagram like filter to suspend your belief. Too much of what people think is fidelity is actually a type of noise e.g. what matters to me in a drama is the writing, acting, plot, ideas and message. Going from 320p to 4320p does not add signal if it means I can see all the seams in the set, all the make-up, how badly the wigs fit etc... it's actually added noise. > Ditto for all of the technology Millennials have ennui for. Do you mean ennui (apathy)? Or do you mean nostalgia, yearning, yen, rose-tinted romanticism etc.?
argiopetech 3y ago
It's not about the resolution, it's about the sound they make as the tube powers up, and the smell, and the slight whistle in operation. They're also have excellent refresh rate and add no latency to the incoming signal. I still have a CRT for my SNES. It's not in the best of shape (bit of burn-in from a previous owner), but it makes me happy every time it turns on.
- malfist 3y ago
  You might call it a "slight whistle" but I call it a headache inducing high pitched screech
  - argiopetech 3y ago
    That might be the sign of a bad flyback transformer. It shouldn't be hard on the hearing. That said, if every CRT is like that, you may just be blessed/cursed with good high-range hearing. One of my siblings can't drive in my truck because the turbo bothers her hearing -- I bet she doesn't like CRTs either.

argiopetech 3y ago

I had one HD CRT. I don't recall the brand. It was definitely an opportunity for a hand cart and a helper...