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No fan of AFD at all, but why are people against deporting illegal immigrants? A society is safe and prosperous as long as everyone plays ball by the same rule

No fan of AFD at all, but why are people against deporting illegal immigrants? A society is safe and prosperous as long as everyone plays ball by the same rules. You don't conform to the law in the country you're a guest in, then bye-bye. You don't just let anyone off the street inside your house and then let them as they please, do you?

almatabata 3y ago
From the article, "Protests held at about 100 locations over party’s meeting with neo-Nazis to discuss deporting those it deems have failed to integrate, including German citizens". They are protesting against the potential deportation of people with german citizenship who acquired it legally.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  They can protest all they want, you can't legally deport a citizen. That's just a bunch of crazy talk. If they have people who have gained citizenship but failed to integrate, then that proves the citizenship process is faulty and can be gamed, and needs a reform instead of handing passports out like candy, but once you decide to give someone citizenship you can't retroactively take it back and deport them. The fault lies with who designed and approved the citizenship process(probably some clueless bureaucrats), not with who gained said citizenship, as they got it fair and square according to the law.
  - almatabata 3y ago
    > They can protest all they want, you can't legally deport a citizen. That's just a bunch of crazy talk. I agree currently they cannot legally deport anyone with citizenship. I think the fear is that, should they get a majority, they will change the law to make it legal. I can understand why some people are afraid. Luckily international law still exists so you cannot just remove the nationality of someone unless he has another one. This would only apply to people with two or more citizenships. France already passed a law to remove french nationality of people convicted on charges of terrorism. > If they have people who have gained citizenship but failed to integrate, then that proves the citizenship process is faulty Agreed
  - xg15 3y ago
    > but once you decide to give someone citizenship you can't retroactively take it back and deport them. My understanding was that they basically planned exactly that. The questions around immigration, integration, asylum and German citizenship make up an eternal debate between centrist/progressive/left on the one and conservative/right groups on the other hand. It flares up every few years and in some form or other persisted since the 50s. To my knowledge, the AFD position is not that different from the usual positions of hard right and Neonazi parties in that regard. However what is new is exactly the plan to revoke citizenship of potentially large parts of the population according to completely arbitrary "integration" criteria. That plan evoked some very unfortunate memories of changes to citizenship laws in Nazi Germany and gave many Germans with some kind of immigration history the realisation that they might not be safe. This is what triggered this intense wave of demonstrations.
fabifabulous 3y ago
Please read what exactly has been discussed in the meeting which has been the reason for the current protests. The government has just passed new policies on deportations so for the AfD it‘s not just about deporting criminals. As they‘re basically Nazis, just look up how everything was building up back in the 1930s-1940s. Then you‘ll know what the people are demonstrating against today.

almatabata 3y ago

From the article, "Protests held at about 100 locations over party’s meeting with neo-Nazis to discuss deporting those it deems have failed to integrate, including German citizens". They are protesting against the potential deportation of people with german citizenship who acquired it legally.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
They can protest all they want, you can't legally deport a citizen. That's just a bunch of crazy talk. If they have people who have gained citizenship but failed to integrate, then that proves the citizenship process is faulty and can be gamed, and needs a reform instead of handing passports out like candy, but once you decide to give someone citizenship you can't retroactively take it back and deport them. The fault lies with who designed and approved the citizenship process(probably some clueless bureaucrats), not with who gained said citizenship, as they got it fair and square according to the law.
- almatabata 3y ago
  > They can protest all they want, you can't legally deport a citizen. That's just a bunch of crazy talk. I agree currently they cannot legally deport anyone with citizenship. I think the fear is that, should they get a majority, they will change the law to make it legal. I can understand why some people are afraid. Luckily international law still exists so you cannot just remove the nationality of someone unless he has another one. This would only apply to people with two or more citizenships. France already passed a law to remove french nationality of people convicted on charges of terrorism. > If they have people who have gained citizenship but failed to integrate, then that proves the citizenship process is faulty Agreed
- xg15 3y ago
  > but once you decide to give someone citizenship you can't retroactively take it back and deport them. My understanding was that they basically planned exactly that. The questions around immigration, integration, asylum and German citizenship make up an eternal debate between centrist/progressive/left on the one and conservative/right groups on the other hand. It flares up every few years and in some form or other persisted since the 50s. To my knowledge, the AFD position is not that different from the usual positions of hard right and Neonazi parties in that regard. However what is new is exactly the plan to revoke citizenship of potentially large parts of the population according to completely arbitrary "integration" criteria. That plan evoked some very unfortunate memories of changes to citizenship laws in Nazi Germany and gave many Germans with some kind of immigration history the realisation that they might not be safe. This is what triggered this intense wave of demonstrations.

fabifabulous 3y ago

Please read what exactly has been discussed in the meeting which has been the reason for the current protests. The government has just passed new policies on deportations so for the AfD it‘s not just about deporting criminals. As they‘re basically Nazis, just look up how everything was building up back in the 1930s-1940s. Then you‘ll know what the people are demonstrating against today.