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At the time the Manzares installation was built the concept seemed very promising. I read about it as a child in an overview of different approaches to solar po
by usrusr 3y ago
At the time the Manzares installation was built the concept seemed very promising. I read about it as a child in an overview of different approaches to solar power generation and to me, the chimney stood out as far more practical than the various mirror setups that were tried at the time (and that remained iconic "future energy" through 90ies and early aughts, e.g. in computer games). But photovoltaics have gotten so much cheaper, all that is left for mirrors, chimneys and the like is nostalgia. Like past futures with flying cars and landline phones.
The chimney idea did have a bit of a revival through the discovery of thermal mass as a way to flatten the day/night cycle, but that's far too short term and undispatchable to really make much of a difference. The gap behind photovoltaic is just too big I think and of we ever have hydrolysers on the scale we need for everything else, adding some more capacity will again win from scale.
These days, even the bad idea of integrating some battery capacity directly on module level would seem more promising to me. So many very good reasons not to do it, biggest one is very different expected service life, but if you do stuff at numbers like photovoltaic modules, scale effects are difficult to predict.
What I want, as a solar future tech fantasy, is installation/service robotics. Central premise: the modules need permanent scaffolding anyways. Focus on that for where innovation happens and make a pair of scaffolding system and machine that are designed for each other so that the scaffolding can serve the machine as as a controlled environment for travel (and power!), and the machine (or family of different machines) can do diagnostics, clean or even replace modules. Bonus points of course if the machine(s) can also lay out more scaffolding, but I'd consider that beyond mvp.
- michaelbuckbee 3y agoAs an interim step, I'd just like to see an installation system that was designed to minimize the now largest cost of a solar setup: labor.
- usrusr 3y agoTrue, but for that alone I'd assume that there's no lack of trying. Innovation through dozens (hundreds?) of suppliers each trying to sell to installation companies. In old-google-speak those are certainly not moonshot projects, but I'm sue that this organic innovation of many hands, eyes and minds has already achieved quite a bit. In the other hand that kind of innovation is prone to getting stuck in local optima and one of the reasons I believe that the "scaffolding as robot rails" approach might be worthwhile is that it would be somewhat moonshotty, and that moonshottyness could very well knock the state of the art out of local optima if it happens to be stuck.
- mattlondon 3y agoThere is a YC startup doing robots for production of solar plants IIRC. Can't remember it's name but they are often on here trying to hire mechanical engineers to build the robots. Not sure if they are just the initial manufacture, or also ongoing maintenance. Capex might put weight the opex if you are just using robots to clean the panels after construction?
- usrusr 3y agoCharge Robotics, search box did its thing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30780455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30780455 An interesting read, looks like they have the attitude necessary to innovate without distracting moonshot goals.