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You're worried that PV is complex so you want to add a thermal cycle? That doesn't begin to make sense. Thermal power plants are insanely complicated. PV is jus

You're worried that PV is complex so you want to add a thermal cycle? That doesn't begin to make sense. Thermal power plants are insanely complicated. PV is just semiconductors.

nine_k 3y ago
Not a solar thermal electric power generator, but solar thermal storage. It's just a hunk of matter, usually a water tank.
- pfdietz 3y ago
  It'll be cheaper if you charge your thermal store using a PV driven heat pump, rather than try to collect the sunlight as heat directly.
  - detourdog 3y ago
    Might be cheaper but I think you failed to understand the need for a redundant heating system. That is isn't wholly based on the complexity of PV. Secondly there is nothing preventing me from leveraging the cost savings of PV heat generation when available. I just want a parallel heating system that isn't reliant on PV solar generation. I thought I made that clear. I also would be able to use the system during the shoulder months where the efficiency of heat generation isn't an extreme need. Passive solar is simpler the Photo Voltaic solar and I believe there is a rich middle ground in balancing the 2.
    - pfdietz 3y ago
      Why not a PV heating system and, if you want redundancy, another PV heating system? What failure mode are you imagining that leaves a solar thermal system working but takes out both PV systems?
      - detourdog 3y ago
        I see a stronger redundancy by using disparate overall approaches of technology. This is an overall philosophy. I will try to describe the overall weakness I see using the same approach for a redundant system. A double PV system I see as too homogeneous and thus susceptible to the same risks. A PV system with a solar thermal system for redundant heating I see as more diverse and thus resilient. I try to design to a 100 year expectation. We all know that PV systems need replacement on a schedule. We also all experience electronic digital systems that may meet are needs but are no longer supported. I see this currently as a complexity that we accept because the tech is so darn convent. Solar thermal can take many forms from very passive to a combination of almost passive with the exception of fluid moving systems. The fluid moving systems components are not nearly as specialized as the PV components and thus the overall system is more malleable. This malleability provides for greater variation in replacement parts and short term hacks to get through system failures.
detourdog 3y ago
Obviously we disagree. I truly don't understand how highly specified electrical system could be simpler then pumped water and solar gain.
- detourdog 3y ago
  Looks like someone can’t handle variations in opinions and can’t articulate their own ideas.

You're worried that PV is complex so you want to add a thermal cycle? That doesn't begin to make sense. Thermal power plants are insanely complicated. PV is just semiconductors.

nine_k 3y ago

Not a solar thermal electric power generator, but solar thermal storage. It's just a hunk of matter, usually a water tank.

pfdietz 3y ago
It'll be cheaper if you charge your thermal store using a PV driven heat pump, rather than try to collect the sunlight as heat directly.
- detourdog 3y ago
  Might be cheaper but I think you failed to understand the need for a redundant heating system. That is isn't wholly based on the complexity of PV. Secondly there is nothing preventing me from leveraging the cost savings of PV heat generation when available. I just want a parallel heating system that isn't reliant on PV solar generation. I thought I made that clear. I also would be able to use the system during the shoulder months where the efficiency of heat generation isn't an extreme need. Passive solar is simpler the Photo Voltaic solar and I believe there is a rich middle ground in balancing the 2.
  - pfdietz 3y ago
    Why not a PV heating system and, if you want redundancy, another PV heating system? What failure mode are you imagining that leaves a solar thermal system working but takes out both PV systems?
    - detourdog 3y ago
      I see a stronger redundancy by using disparate overall approaches of technology. This is an overall philosophy. I will try to describe the overall weakness I see using the same approach for a redundant system. A double PV system I see as too homogeneous and thus susceptible to the same risks. A PV system with a solar thermal system for redundant heating I see as more diverse and thus resilient. I try to design to a 100 year expectation. We all know that PV systems need replacement on a schedule. We also all experience electronic digital systems that may meet are needs but are no longer supported. I see this currently as a complexity that we accept because the tech is so darn convent. Solar thermal can take many forms from very passive to a combination of almost passive with the exception of fluid moving systems. The fluid moving systems components are not nearly as specialized as the PV components and thus the overall system is more malleable. This malleability provides for greater variation in replacement parts and short term hacks to get through system failures.

detourdog 3y ago

Obviously we disagree. I truly don't understand how highly specified electrical system could be simpler then pumped water and solar gain.

detourdog 3y ago
Looks like someone can’t handle variations in opinions and can’t articulate their own ideas.