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This is plagiarism by any academic or artistic standard, but as a commercial or legal matter, this level of copying doesn't come close to copyright infringement

This is plagiarism by any academic or artistic standard, but as a commercial or legal matter, this level of copying doesn't come close to copyright infringement. And no one should want it to.

toxik 3y ago
Plagiarism is not a crime, it’s an ethical foul.
- inemesitaffia 3y ago
  Depends on the country
washadjeffmad 3y ago
Although, I did find it odd the redditor suggested YouTubers and internet personalities as potential avenues for dissemination, since those are the people who make their careers not off the originality of their content, but their ability to do what Mark Dawson has done: quickly assimilate information and arguments, assemble into compelling narratives, and monetize amplification of engagement through networking and modern mechanisms.
xhkkffbf 3y ago
I wouldn't even be so sure that it qualifies as real academic plagiarism. Some of the recent newsworthy examples from Harvard, for instance, were close to full paragraphs. This example, for instance, is just a phrase and a cliche at that: “A majestic wrought iron gate brought in from a Southern plantation” The accuser can't even get little details like the number of books sold versus downloaded. I've sat on academic committees judging plagiarism and I would not consider these examples to be an obvious case. Not by any means.
sireat 3y ago
Indeed it shows that the author is a hack and would flunk out of an academic program but taking phrases from other authors is inevitable. Writers are allowed to write "It was a dark and a stormy night" over again. Maybe the author liked the expression "fur-trimmed Afghans" - maybe he had the other author's book in front of him maybe he read it the previous day who knows? As long as he is not copying whole pages verbatim and the end product is enjoyable this is not actionable. There are plenty of authors who might be good plotters but stink at character development and vice versa.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  Two or three words - your examples - I can agree with. But it stretches credulity when you start applying that to phrases like "the gaudy harlequinade of youth much in evidence", "The man settled behind the rifle. He felt the tension in the trigger, found his stockweld and slid up to the eyepiece, staring into it and seeing the ridge and the trees and the vegetation through the mil-dot-rich reticle.", or "the misty slopes of the massif of the Montagne de Charbon stretched above the treeline".

This is plagiarism by any academic or artistic standard, but as a commercial or legal matter, this level of copying doesn't come close to copyright infringement. And no one should want it to.

toxik 3y ago

Plagiarism is not a crime, it’s an ethical foul.

inemesitaffia 3y ago
Depends on the country

washadjeffmad 3y ago

Although, I did find it odd the redditor suggested YouTubers and internet personalities as potential avenues for dissemination, since those are the people who make their careers not off the originality of their content, but their ability to do what Mark Dawson has done: quickly assimilate information and arguments, assemble into compelling narratives, and monetize amplification of engagement through networking and modern mechanisms.

xhkkffbf 3y ago

I wouldn't even be so sure that it qualifies as real academic plagiarism. Some of the recent newsworthy examples from Harvard, for instance, were close to full paragraphs. This example, for instance, is just a phrase and a cliche at that: “A majestic wrought iron gate brought in from a Southern plantation” The accuser can't even get little details like the number of books sold versus downloaded. I've sat on academic committees judging plagiarism and I would not consider these examples to be an obvious case. Not by any means.

sireat 3y ago

Indeed it shows that the author is a hack and would flunk out of an academic program but taking phrases from other authors is inevitable. Writers are allowed to write "It was a dark and a stormy night" over again. Maybe the author liked the expression "fur-trimmed Afghans" - maybe he had the other author's book in front of him maybe he read it the previous day who knows? As long as he is not copying whole pages verbatim and the end product is enjoyable this is not actionable. There are plenty of authors who might be good plotters but stink at character development and vice versa.

FireBeyond 3y ago
Two or three words - your examples - I can agree with. But it stretches credulity when you start applying that to phrases like "the gaudy harlequinade of youth much in evidence", "The man settled behind the rifle. He felt the tension in the trigger, found his stockweld and slid up to the eyepiece, staring into it and seeing the ridge and the trees and the vegetation through the mil-dot-rich reticle.", or "the misty slopes of the massif of the Montagne de Charbon stretched above the treeline".