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Related: the Norwegian press is now examining the theses of Norwegian ministers and politicians after a Twitter/x user found plagiarism in the Master's thesis o

Related: the Norwegian press is now examining the theses of Norwegian ministers and politicians after a Twitter/x user found plagiarism in the Master's thesis of the Minister of Science - she had to go on the hour and may lose her degree. Other ministers are now being scrutinized So if any of you are journalists - this may be a way to get new scoops!

ramraj07 3y ago
Good. While this presenteistic witch hunt looks like a bit much, I feel finding and shaming plagiarists is a great idea. I’ve known a few from my academic life including some of the smartest people I worked with. Thus it’s no measure of intellectual frailty. Just a moral one. Any public figure is totally justified to be shamed for plagiarism IMO.
7thaccount 3y ago
Did they find real plagiarism that was obviously fraudulent or did someone cite an author improperly. I know in academic circles it's basically the same, but some things I've seen recently accusing people of plagiarism are just draconian IMO like they cited the person, but screwed up the quotes somehow.
- karencarits 3y ago
  More than 20% of her thesis was copied almost verbatim from other sources [1], including typos [2], mostly without citation. This wasn't discovered at the time (2014) What's more - self-plagiarism has been a huge topic in the university sector and the Minister has been quite strict towards students re-using text on exams without citation (to their own previous exams), with several cases going to the court. [1] https://e24.no/norsk-oekonomi/i/wA1Kvo/saa-mye-av-sandra-borchs-masteroppgave-er-kopiert https://e24.no/norsk-oekonomi/i/wA1Kvo/saa-mye-av-sandra-bor... [2] https://e24.no/naeringsliv/i/y6Wzw2/deler-av-forskningsministerens-masteroppgave-identisk-med-tidligere-studenters-tekster https://e24.no/naeringsliv/i/y6Wzw2/deler-av-forskningsminis...
  - 7thaccount 3y ago
    Thanks for the reply and insight. It sounds like what I would call fraudulent plagiarism based on your reply and links. 20% is pretty crazy. Especially the hypocrisy.
- optimalsolver 3y ago
  >some things I've seen recently accusing people of plagiarism are just draconian IMO like they cited the person, but screwed up the quotes somehow Can you provide an example of an incident like this?
  - cool_dude85 3y ago
    Both the Gay and Oxman plagiarism cases have some plagiarized passages being defended by saying "well, she did cite the source, it should have been in quotes but still..." So the passage uses the exact words used in the source, sometimes even an exact quote, and there's a cite, but no quotes to indicate that not just the concept or fact is being cited but the actual passage is taken from the source. Whether this is "screwing up the quotes" or not depends on your perspective.

ramraj07 3y ago

Good. While this presenteistic witch hunt looks like a bit much, I feel finding and shaming plagiarists is a great idea. I’ve known a few from my academic life including some of the smartest people I worked with. Thus it’s no measure of intellectual frailty. Just a moral one. Any public figure is totally justified to be shamed for plagiarism IMO.

7thaccount 3y ago

Did they find real plagiarism that was obviously fraudulent or did someone cite an author improperly. I know in academic circles it's basically the same, but some things I've seen recently accusing people of plagiarism are just draconian IMO like they cited the person, but screwed up the quotes somehow.

karencarits 3y ago
More than 20% of her thesis was copied almost verbatim from other sources [1], including typos [2], mostly without citation. This wasn't discovered at the time (2014) What's more - self-plagiarism has been a huge topic in the university sector and the Minister has been quite strict towards students re-using text on exams without citation (to their own previous exams), with several cases going to the court. [1] https://e24.no/norsk-oekonomi/i/wA1Kvo/saa-mye-av-sandra-borchs-masteroppgave-er-kopiert https://e24.no/norsk-oekonomi/i/wA1Kvo/saa-mye-av-sandra-bor... [2] https://e24.no/naeringsliv/i/y6Wzw2/deler-av-forskningsministerens-masteroppgave-identisk-med-tidligere-studenters-tekster https://e24.no/naeringsliv/i/y6Wzw2/deler-av-forskningsminis...
- 7thaccount 3y ago
  Thanks for the reply and insight. It sounds like what I would call fraudulent plagiarism based on your reply and links. 20% is pretty crazy. Especially the hypocrisy.
optimalsolver 3y ago
>some things I've seen recently accusing people of plagiarism are just draconian IMO like they cited the person, but screwed up the quotes somehow Can you provide an example of an incident like this?
- cool_dude85 3y ago
  Both the Gay and Oxman plagiarism cases have some plagiarized passages being defended by saying "well, she did cite the source, it should have been in quotes but still..." So the passage uses the exact words used in the source, sometimes even an exact quote, and there's a cite, but no quotes to indicate that not just the concept or fact is being cited but the actual passage is taken from the source. Whether this is "screwing up the quotes" or not depends on your perspective.