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Just think of them as sanctions. If you try to break any embargo, you will get hit with a missile on the face. That's how embargos usually work. And by internat

Just think of them as sanctions. If you try to break any embargo, you will get hit with a missile on the face. That's how embargos usually work. And by international order, you mean "western order" right? Every sanction and embargo has the purpose of disrupting some sort of order. Try running a USN embargo or blockade, I'm not sure they would be more diplomatic about it than the Houthis. We are currently seeing a higher civilian death rate than we saw back in February 2022, yet it doesn't seem like a lot of people complained about disrupting international order when Russia was sanctioned. And they were well deserved sanctions ,it just turns out that it's not just the US or Europe that can care about civilian deaths. Especially since those countries don't necessarily seem to care a lot about non white civilian deaths, since absolutely 0 western country condemned Israel even when they put literal war criminals like Russia to shame in terms of sheer destruction and indiscriminate murder. When "the international community" (aka, the west) drops the ball on that regard and lets it happen for close to 4 months now, well what do they expect?

prmph 3y ago
> We are currently seeing a higher civilian death rate than we saw back in February 2022, yet it doesn't seem like a lot of people complained about disrupting international order when Russia was sanctioned. This is a false equivalence. Israel was attacked first, brutally. Russia was not attacked; theirs is a war of agression, pure and simple. It is clear that the fundamental cause of the Ukraine war is a desire by Putin and his ilk to restore the old soviet "empire". [1] Actually, that has been the cause of many wars down through the centuries. A former power, or a country that thinks it needs to play a more powerful role in world affairs, seeking (re)ascendancy. It happened with Germany and Japan in WW2, and it is happening with Russia now. But it seems people will believe anything but what the aggressors themselves clearly want. Do you know what the Muslim nations say among themselves, what their ultimate objective is? Without understanding that, it is impossible to place the Israeli-Arab conflict in proper perspective. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/25/putin-new-russian-empire-ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/25/putin-...
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  It doesn't matter. Attacking first or being attacked does not give you the right to level a complete city and does not give you the right to openly call for displacing a population. Israel is also actively pushing for colonization of Palestinian lands well before the war started, just like Russia was slowly trying to encroach on Ukrainian lands at first. Even beyond the whatboutism in your comment, sure yeah, let's talk about how trying to restore old entities and states is a bad thing. But isn't that the whole premise of Zionism? It's literally the reasoning behind the Israel state backed settlements in the west bank. Somehow I guess Israeli colonialism is just different... because reasons. And somehow, it's not an act of aggression. Sure! And before you say that Gaza didn't have any colonies, well they didn't exactly because they have been aggressive (and it doesn't matter, Palestinians view themselves as a nation so it happening in the west bank is just as important for people living in Gaza). The west bank stopped "being aggressive" and stopped the armed struggle and they have been rewarded with 2 decades of constant, blatant pushes for ever more settlements by literal lunatics and Israeli supremacists. All endorsed fully by the military and the Israeli state.
  - aaomidi 3y ago
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    - mardifoufs 3y ago
      I completely got that. A few months ago I'd have said you are being dramatic, but the insane mental gymnastics that people do to justify and even cheering for Israel's actions while at the very same time have the reaction they had to Ukraine getting invaded back in 2022 leaves me with no other possible conclusion. And to be honest I don't even care, I get it and I don't expect westerners to care about us but what annoys me is truly that they actually believe that there is no hypocrisy or biais. So they just go on full on revisionism, colonialist apologia, they suddenly believe everything the military that is currently killing civilians says, and they use literal Russian tier arguments of "well they voted for Hamas 15 years ago!". Just because Israel is on our side, so what they do is justified, and Russia isn't Like, Israel openly claiming that their goal is to basically relocate and displace the local Gaza population is good actually, it's just self defense. And hey, we can't avoid civilian deaths and Israel has the right to self defense (defense is when you colonize another nation). It's insane, Israeli officials are super open about their objectives but it seems like Israel supporters know better than them.

prmph 3y ago

> We are currently seeing a higher civilian death rate than we saw back in February 2022, yet it doesn't seem like a lot of people complained about disrupting international order when Russia was sanctioned. This is a false equivalence. Israel was attacked first, brutally. Russia was not attacked; theirs is a war of agression, pure and simple. It is clear that the fundamental cause of the Ukraine war is a desire by Putin and his ilk to restore the old soviet "empire". [1] Actually, that has been the cause of many wars down through the centuries. A former power, or a country that thinks it needs to play a more powerful role in world affairs, seeking (re)ascendancy. It happened with Germany and Japan in WW2, and it is happening with Russia now. But it seems people will believe anything but what the aggressors themselves clearly want. Do you know what the Muslim nations say among themselves, what their ultimate objective is? Without understanding that, it is impossible to place the Israeli-Arab conflict in proper perspective. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/25/putin-new-russian-empire-ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/25/putin-...

mardifoufs 3y ago
It doesn't matter. Attacking first or being attacked does not give you the right to level a complete city and does not give you the right to openly call for displacing a population. Israel is also actively pushing for colonization of Palestinian lands well before the war started, just like Russia was slowly trying to encroach on Ukrainian lands at first. Even beyond the whatboutism in your comment, sure yeah, let's talk about how trying to restore old entities and states is a bad thing. But isn't that the whole premise of Zionism? It's literally the reasoning behind the Israel state backed settlements in the west bank. Somehow I guess Israeli colonialism is just different... because reasons. And somehow, it's not an act of aggression. Sure! And before you say that Gaza didn't have any colonies, well they didn't exactly because they have been aggressive (and it doesn't matter, Palestinians view themselves as a nation so it happening in the west bank is just as important for people living in Gaza). The west bank stopped "being aggressive" and stopped the armed struggle and they have been rewarded with 2 decades of constant, blatant pushes for ever more settlements by literal lunatics and Israeli supremacists. All endorsed fully by the military and the Israeli state.
- aaomidi 3y ago
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  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    I completely got that. A few months ago I'd have said you are being dramatic, but the insane mental gymnastics that people do to justify and even cheering for Israel's actions while at the very same time have the reaction they had to Ukraine getting invaded back in 2022 leaves me with no other possible conclusion. And to be honest I don't even care, I get it and I don't expect westerners to care about us but what annoys me is truly that they actually believe that there is no hypocrisy or biais. So they just go on full on revisionism, colonialist apologia, they suddenly believe everything the military that is currently killing civilians says, and they use literal Russian tier arguments of "well they voted for Hamas 15 years ago!". Just because Israel is on our side, so what they do is justified, and Russia isn't Like, Israel openly claiming that their goal is to basically relocate and displace the local Gaza population is good actually, it's just self defense. And hey, we can't avoid civilian deaths and Israel has the right to self defense (defense is when you colonize another nation). It's insane, Israeli officials are super open about their objectives but it seems like Israel supporters know better than them.