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But if everyone knows AI exists, the negative points kind of go away, because that also gives everyone plausible deniability. How are you going to blackmail me

But if everyone knows AI exists, the negative points kind of go away, because that also gives everyone plausible deniability. How are you going to blackmail me with sexual images when everyone knows that AI can easily create that? I think that actually makes the AI objectively a good thing, because it prevents blackmail with real images, too

hammyhavoc 3y ago
No, the negative points don't go away whatsoever. Normalizing the sexualization of minors is never not going to be a problem. If you take a photo of a minor and then use that photo to generate CSAM, even if it is "fake", that's not in any way OK on numerous levels. There's the legal, moral and ethical aspects of it, and then there's the issue of consent. Can you imagine people normalizing it for themselves and no longer being attracted to adults? Fuck that rabbithole. We already know about the negative side effects of porn addiction in terms of real sex. These things are damaging by their very existence. Can you imagine the bullying and rumours that are possible now because of technology like this being so readily available? It doesn't matter if it's real or not. People used to crappily MS Paint/Photoshop heads of female minors onto "bikini babes" and pornstars when I was at high school, that didn't make it OK, even if it didn't look real in any way whatsoever. It has a massively negative effect on the person it is of. It doesn't prevent anything, quite the contrary, it enables everything. Look at the proliferation of fake news already in the past few years, people know they shouldn't believe everything they read on the internet, but people parrot internet fake news constantly. People act on it. People get killed over it. People kill themselves over it.
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- jstarfish 3y ago
  > and then there's the issue of consent. You mentioned this twice within two messages. What exactly is your agenda here? Consent is entirely irrelevant in the context of CSAM, since the consent of a child does not authorize anybody to produce pornography of them. I don't support the idea of deepfakes, yet despite agreeing with most else you said I'm more disturbed that you're in favor of normalizing the idea that anybody exercising their right to expression is beholden to the feelings of their subject. You do realize what chilling effect that has on basic discourse? Consider the absurdity of someone photoshopping foreskins back onto Israeli dudes' nudes in protest of the (non-consensual!) RIC practices of the Jews.

hammyhavoc 3y ago

No, the negative points don't go away whatsoever. Normalizing the sexualization of minors is never not going to be a problem. If you take a photo of a minor and then use that photo to generate CSAM, even if it is "fake", that's not in any way OK on numerous levels. There's the legal, moral and ethical aspects of it, and then there's the issue of consent. Can you imagine people normalizing it for themselves and no longer being attracted to adults? Fuck that rabbithole. We already know about the negative side effects of porn addiction in terms of real sex. These things are damaging by their very existence. Can you imagine the bullying and rumours that are possible now because of technology like this being so readily available? It doesn't matter if it's real or not. People used to crappily MS Paint/Photoshop heads of female minors onto "bikini babes" and pornstars when I was at high school, that didn't make it OK, even if it didn't look real in any way whatsoever. It has a massively negative effect on the person it is of. It doesn't prevent anything, quite the contrary, it enables everything. Look at the proliferation of fake news already in the past few years, people know they shouldn't believe everything they read on the internet, but people parrot internet fake news constantly. People act on it. People get killed over it. People kill themselves over it.

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jstarfish 3y ago
> and then there's the issue of consent. You mentioned this twice within two messages. What exactly is your agenda here? Consent is entirely irrelevant in the context of CSAM, since the consent of a child does not authorize anybody to produce pornography of them. I don't support the idea of deepfakes, yet despite agreeing with most else you said I'm more disturbed that you're in favor of normalizing the idea that anybody exercising their right to expression is beholden to the feelings of their subject. You do realize what chilling effect that has on basic discourse? Consider the absurdity of someone photoshopping foreskins back onto Israeli dudes' nudes in protest of the (non-consensual!) RIC practices of the Jews.