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But there is. You are arguably making unauthorized copies to train.
by ufocia 3y ago
But there is. You are arguably making unauthorized copies to train.
- Almondsetat 3y agoUnauthorized copies? If the images are published on the internet how is it downloading them "unauthorized"?
- __loam 3y agoPublicly available doesn't mean you have a license to do whatever you like with the image. If I download an image and re-upload it to my own art station or sell prints of it, that is something I can physically do because the image is public, but I'm absolutely violating copyright.
- Almondsetat 3y agoThat's not an unautharized copy, it's unauthorized distribution. By the same metric me seeing the image and copying it by hand is also unauthorized copy (or reproduction is you will)
- xigoi 3y agoIANAL, but I’m pretty sure copying an image by hand is copyright violation.
- Almondsetat 3y agoSo you cannot train your drawing skills by copying other people's artworks?
- xigoi 3y agoYou can do it in private, but you can’t distribute the resulting image, let alone sell it.
- Almondsetat 3y agoThen I don't really understand your original reply. Simply copying a publicly available image doesn't infringe anything (unless it was supposed to be private/secret). Doing stuff with that image in private still doesn't constitute infringement. Distribution does, but that wasn't the topic at hand
- xigoi 3y agoYou can train a neural network in private too and nobody will have a problem with that. The topic of discussion is commercial AI.
- zerocrates 3y agoThe most basic right protected by copyright is the right to make copies. Merely making a copy can definitely be infringement. "Copies" made in the computing context even simply between disk and RAM have been held to be infringement in some cases. Fair use is the big question mark here, as it acts to allow various kinds of harmless/acceptable/desirable copying. For AI, it's particularly relevant that there's a factor of the "transformative" nature of a use that weighs in favor of fair use.
- shkkmo 3y agoThe answer is "it depends". Distribution is not a hard requirement for copyright violation. It can significantly impact monetary judgements. That said, there is also an inherent right to copy material that is published online in certain circumstances. Indeed, the physical act of displaying an image in a browser involves making copies of that image in cache, memory, etc.
- huytersd 3y agoIf you are viewing the image on your browser on a website, you are making a local copy. That’s not unauthorized.