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We already have undetectable fakes. Anybody can buy a blue check mark on Twitter and pretend to be somebody else. Anybody can also domain squat. The way we det

by js8 3y ago

We already have undetectable fakes. Anybody can buy a blue check mark on Twitter and pretend to be somebody else. Anybody can also domain squat. The way we detect them is if this becomes a problem, the authentic entity will speak against it and the society will rectify. Just as these fakes are a non-problem in practice, AI fakes will be a non-problem too.

gumballindie 3y ago
> the authentic entity will speak against it and the society will rectify Society is already speaking against stolen content and fakes produced using it. How are we rectifying this?
big_whack 3y ago
Much cruder fakes than you are describing are a huge problem in practice, costing billions per year in fraud to Americans alone. Just because you can detect them, doesn't mean your grandma can. The societal implications of undetectable fakes are off the charts.
- thimkerbell 3y ago
  What does it mean that next to nobody is saying this? Are the ones who know, voting with their feet? And where is that?
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    People are saying this. You're on HN though, the demographics here can tend to skew money-grubbing techbros with who is the loudest and most defensive of anything they've got money riding on. Remember the crypto and NFT hype on HN? The bottom-line is only what matters to a good chunk of people here.
wmeredith 3y ago
Calling the current fakes a "non-problem" is one of the hottest takes I've heard in some time.
vasco 3y ago
It's not exactly the same though. Attacks from spam networks out of extradition reach will become more sophisticated, and that's going to take more money or more annoyance to slow down. The same way phone call scamming from India is a billion dollar industry, fake ads impersonating famous people and things like that will have near zero cost to produce which means it's cheap to mass exploit.
figassis 3y ago
Problem with this for example is when LE uses it to incriminate you, and forces you to prove that their evidence is fake. We can see from the Horizon scandal that when they want to keep you from defending yourself, they usually succeed.

by js8 3y ago

gumballindie 3y ago

> the authentic entity will speak against it and the society will rectify Society is already speaking against stolen content and fakes produced using it. How are we rectifying this?

big_whack 3y ago

Much cruder fakes than you are describing are a huge problem in practice, costing billions per year in fraud to Americans alone. Just because you can detect them, doesn't mean your grandma can. The societal implications of undetectable fakes are off the charts.

thimkerbell 3y ago
What does it mean that next to nobody is saying this? Are the ones who know, voting with their feet? And where is that?
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  People are saying this. You're on HN though, the demographics here can tend to skew money-grubbing techbros with who is the loudest and most defensive of anything they've got money riding on. Remember the crypto and NFT hype on HN? The bottom-line is only what matters to a good chunk of people here.

wmeredith 3y ago

Calling the current fakes a "non-problem" is one of the hottest takes I've heard in some time.

vasco 3y ago

It's not exactly the same though. Attacks from spam networks out of extradition reach will become more sophisticated, and that's going to take more money or more annoyance to slow down. The same way phone call scamming from India is a billion dollar industry, fake ads impersonating famous people and things like that will have near zero cost to produce which means it's cheap to mass exploit.

figassis 3y ago

Problem with this for example is when LE uses it to incriminate you, and forces you to prove that their evidence is fake. We can see from the Horizon scandal that when they want to keep you from defending yourself, they usually succeed.