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Or… the Tesla ones are being amplified. I spent two hours in my car in 0C last week taking a call with my AC, heated seat and heated steering wheel on and the b

Or… the Tesla ones are being amplified. I spent two hours in my car in 0C last week taking a call with my AC, heated seat and heated steering wheel on and the battery %age didn’t budge a single point. My conservative friends in Scotland are all eager to share “horror stories” of Teslas in Chicago with me. When a Tesla has a problem it literally makes world news. That should tell you how often these things happen.

edgyquant 3y ago
0 degrees Celsius is 32 degrees Fahrenheit so we’re not talking about the same kinda of temperatures here. You’re talking about right at freezing, which can be common most everywhere in the northern hemisphere at least. The other is quite a bit colder but still common in the Midwest and actually cold places. This seems like a bad faith comment when looked at in that context.
- thebruce87m 3y ago
  I’m sure most people on Hacker News are smart enough to realise I wasn’t saying it was equivalent since those are very different temperatures. Heat pump performance doesn’t scale linearly either, but even at 3x worse performance I could last for a long, long time stuck in a snow storm.
  - edgyquant 3y ago
    No I don’t think so, the implication was that you were comparing them and saying it was overblown. These Teslas are having issues at single digit/zero degree Fahrenheit so your anecdotal rebuttal isn’t useful.
    - thebruce87m 3y ago
      I think you’re missing my point. I’ll choose the best faith and assume I didn’t convey it properly rather than you are intentionally missing it. Here it is again: * I live in Scotland * I am subject to Scottish weather * In my Scottish weather the car operates just fine * My conservative friends are sharing stories of a handful of issues people are having in another country as proof of… something. Not sure exactly what but some culture war thing they have been tricked into spreading by their influencers. * Tesla stories are therefore amplified. There were a bunch of ICE cars also having issues but you don’t hear about them.
      - b112 3y ago
        There are absolutely zero ICE cars having issues at 0F, let alone -40C, unless they are defective, or poorly maintained. Frankly, you're making a false equivalence here. You're conflating "teslas in perfect factory delivery order" not working at normal winter temps, with "a poorly maintained or defective ICE car" not working. It's not the same thing. At all. I've driven all sorts of cars sold in North America, and -40C? Fine. I've owned VWs, Toyotas, GMs, my neighbours have all manner of cars. No one has problems with -40C. No one. ICE cars, in good working order are fine, and start and work reliability at -40C. Teslas, it would seem, do not. That is not someone picking on EVs. Really, EV tech is very new, compared to ICE.
        thebruce87m 3y ago
        You’re saying that ICE cars don’t have issues at -40C? I can’t possibly take this to be good faith in any way. And any evidence I could provide you will claim that they are “poorly maintained”. No thanks, I’ve got better things to do.
        ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        > You’re saying that ICE cars don’t have issues at -40C? They seem to be saying, > ICE cars, in good working order are fine, and start and work reliability at -40C. ...and they're mostly correct. In that sort of weather, you just use a bit higher concentration of antifreeze in your coolant mixture. Fuel will usually start freezing at a colder temperature as well. Hope you enjoy doing your things! p.s.) fun fact: one need not specify C or F or K when the value is -40 degrees :)
        thebruce87m 3y ago
        I have no experience with those temperatures but it seems that cars that are exposed to these conditions need a whole host of ways to deal with it, special fluids, block heaters and systems to automatically start the car if it falls below certain temperatures. Given that I think if we had a -40 snap in Scotland a great many brand new in-spec ICE cars would fail to start. Or is this all wrong and you can just turn the key on any old ICE and go? Genuine question since I don’t live in conditions like those. And reading the Reddit thread here suggests that a great many EV owners are doing just fine in extreme temperatures: https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/194yg8x/how_are_your_evs_doing_in_this_weather_genuinely/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/194yg8x/how_are_yo... Maybe that’s not -40 and they’ll all fail then?
CyberDildonics 3y ago
Why were you running your AC while heated seats and steering wheel were on and why run the AC when it is freezing outside?
- thebruce87m 3y ago
  With the heated seat and steering wheel on “auto”, the car decides the balance of heat between those and the cabin heat.

edgyquant 3y ago

0 degrees Celsius is 32 degrees Fahrenheit so we’re not talking about the same kinda of temperatures here. You’re talking about right at freezing, which can be common most everywhere in the northern hemisphere at least. The other is quite a bit colder but still common in the Midwest and actually cold places. This seems like a bad faith comment when looked at in that context.

thebruce87m 3y ago
I’m sure most people on Hacker News are smart enough to realise I wasn’t saying it was equivalent since those are very different temperatures. Heat pump performance doesn’t scale linearly either, but even at 3x worse performance I could last for a long, long time stuck in a snow storm.
- edgyquant 3y ago
  No I don’t think so, the implication was that you were comparing them and saying it was overblown. These Teslas are having issues at single digit/zero degree Fahrenheit so your anecdotal rebuttal isn’t useful.
  - thebruce87m 3y ago
    I think you’re missing my point. I’ll choose the best faith and assume I didn’t convey it properly rather than you are intentionally missing it. Here it is again: * I live in Scotland * I am subject to Scottish weather * In my Scottish weather the car operates just fine * My conservative friends are sharing stories of a handful of issues people are having in another country as proof of… something. Not sure exactly what but some culture war thing they have been tricked into spreading by their influencers. * Tesla stories are therefore amplified. There were a bunch of ICE cars also having issues but you don’t hear about them.
    - b112 3y ago
      There are absolutely zero ICE cars having issues at 0F, let alone -40C, unless they are defective, or poorly maintained. Frankly, you're making a false equivalence here. You're conflating "teslas in perfect factory delivery order" not working at normal winter temps, with "a poorly maintained or defective ICE car" not working. It's not the same thing. At all. I've driven all sorts of cars sold in North America, and -40C? Fine. I've owned VWs, Toyotas, GMs, my neighbours have all manner of cars. No one has problems with -40C. No one. ICE cars, in good working order are fine, and start and work reliability at -40C. Teslas, it would seem, do not. That is not someone picking on EVs. Really, EV tech is very new, compared to ICE.
      - thebruce87m 3y ago
        You’re saying that ICE cars don’t have issues at -40C? I can’t possibly take this to be good faith in any way. And any evidence I could provide you will claim that they are “poorly maintained”. No thanks, I’ve got better things to do.
        ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        > You’re saying that ICE cars don’t have issues at -40C? They seem to be saying, > ICE cars, in good working order are fine, and start and work reliability at -40C. ...and they're mostly correct. In that sort of weather, you just use a bit higher concentration of antifreeze in your coolant mixture. Fuel will usually start freezing at a colder temperature as well. Hope you enjoy doing your things! p.s.) fun fact: one need not specify C or F or K when the value is -40 degrees :)
        thebruce87m 3y ago
        I have no experience with those temperatures but it seems that cars that are exposed to these conditions need a whole host of ways to deal with it, special fluids, block heaters and systems to automatically start the car if it falls below certain temperatures. Given that I think if we had a -40 snap in Scotland a great many brand new in-spec ICE cars would fail to start. Or is this all wrong and you can just turn the key on any old ICE and go? Genuine question since I don’t live in conditions like those. And reading the Reddit thread here suggests that a great many EV owners are doing just fine in extreme temperatures: https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/194yg8x/how_are_your_evs_doing_in_this_weather_genuinely/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/194yg8x/how_are_yo... Maybe that’s not -40 and they’ll all fail then?

CyberDildonics 3y ago

Why were you running your AC while heated seats and steering wheel were on and why run the AC when it is freezing outside?

thebruce87m 3y ago
With the heated seat and steering wheel on “auto”, the car decides the balance of heat between those and the cabin heat.