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Interestingly, based on the title of this article, I thought this would be discussing automated emergency braking systems that are standard on most cars, not th

Interestingly, based on the title of this article, I thought this would be discussing automated emergency braking systems that are standard on most cars, not the “what happens when you stop paying attention with adaptive cruise control, and ignore all the warnings”. Mercedes calling their call center seems a bit aggressive… since it doesn’t sound like the journalist was actually in a collision.

pinkgolem 3y ago
To be fair, when a person is not reacting after the sequence described a medical emergency seems likely & a checkup might be a good idea.
- Kirby64 3y ago
  Sure, I’d agree, but the report is that they asked if they were in a collision. Seems like some better reporting to ask if they were ok (and not assume a collision) would be better.
  - dist-epoch 3y ago
    People in state of shock have reduced cognitive abilities. Makes sense to ask a series of simple yes/no questions to determine what happened. "Are you ok" is too generic.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Exactly this. After a collision people will be walking around with half their guts spilling out and insist they’re “ok”.
      - tialaramex 3y ago
        Yeah. In the rush to board a train to my mother after hours of delays just before Christmas, I tripped and bashed my leg pretty hard against the step of the train, a woman asked if I was OK and I reflexively answered "I'm fine". Once seated I thought I ought to see exactly how "fine" I really was, rolled up the leg of my heavy black jeans and discovered I was now bleeding significantly. I thought about it, decided if I tell the train operator they're going to insist I go to hospital to have somebody check it, at hospital triage will (like me) conclude that I'm not in real danger and put me at the back of the queue and I won't get seen for hours, so likely I don't get a train until tomorrow, meanwhile I'm in the wrong city. So, no, I'm going to stick a Kleenex over this wound to keep it clean(ish) and stay on the train. It wasn't mortal, but it was a sizeable hole, a day later it was still bleeding so my mother drove me to an Urgent Care and a nurse practitioner glued it shut. Kind of wasting their skills, but it feels better to have someone overqualified do it than guess I can just use glue at home & never know if that was a good call.
        dist-epoch 3y ago
        Regular superglue can produce heat when applied to skin, to the point of thermal burn. Medical glue is safe in this regard.
        tialaramex 3y ago
        Huh. Today I learned.
        garblegarble 3y ago
        Can you expand on this a little? I know that there is medical grade cyanoacrylate/superglue, and I'd expect it to have the exact same exothermic properties as regular cyanoacrylate glues. Asking out of interest, because I don't know much about medical glues, and I often just use a little dab of superglue on cracked skin and haven't experienced any burns from it (I have, however, experienced a superglue burn while crafting - for anyone who doesn't know: don't use cotton to wipe off excess superglue, it will rapidly polymerise and heat up, and it'll stick to your skin while it's doing it)
        bombcar 3y ago
        All I know is the medical superglue has “two phases” and gets hot for the first one a bit, and then there’s some sort of second curing a bit later.
      - mnw21cam 3y ago
        I fell off my bike today. As I was wheeling it off the road and onto the pavement, someone in a passing car rolled down the window and asked if I was alright. My answer was "Ask me in ten minutes". And yes, ten minutes later I was sat on the ground against a shop window with my vision gone dark, apparently as white as a sheet, and a lovely old lady calling an ambulance for me. It's funny how the body works - it gave me a couple of minutes of being able to get myself off an active road before initiating shock symptoms.
  - pinkgolem 3y ago
    Yeah, that seems like a minor improvement that could be implemented... But the call is the important thing, check if someone answers.. if not -> call emergency services.. if yes, discuss next steps Calls are also sometimes available when data is not/just plain faster
  - m3047 3y ago
    > asked if they were in a collision Would you prefer "have you been involved in a loss of life incident?" My point is to not take the question at face value, rather take it as a compliance tool. Most people will answer it automatically because either hell yea they were, or they weren't. Take a deep breath and let's start again. If I ask you "did you kill somebody?" are you more or less likely to answer with something other than "fuck you" than if I ask "how is your package?". I get it, it depends on set and setting. Good thing they have so much beyond telemetry (extending into humint) in that alleged "car", eh?
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solardev 3y ago
Yeah, I've wondered that too. I've triggered the audible alarm many times, but I'm still not sure what happens if it actually needs to emergency brake and cut engine power. How does it handle steering/skidding? Is it gonna cause the person behind me rear end me? I hope I never have to find out, but it'd be nice to know ahead of time...
- Erratic6576 3y ago
  I’ve been wondering this the whole time. Does it gently stop on the right shoulders so you can comfortably get out the vehicle to meet traffic from behind?
marcellus23 3y ago
I thought the same, it's poorly titled IMO. "Automated emergency braking," to me, means the system that brakes if it thinks you're about to hit something. I would have never thought about the cruise-control hands-off-wheel behavior (which braking is only one piece of, anyway).
dathinab 3y ago
consider that: > Mercedes calling their call center seems a bit aggressive through necessary: I mean, let's be honest under which "normal" conditions do you ignore the warning system _and continue to do so even after the car stopped_? Whatever it is if you are not a journalist testing something out there is a pretty high chance you need help one way or another. So they call you to then figure out if they need to call you an ambulance (e.g. imagine you had a heart attack, or passed out due to some circulatory mall function) or a technician (the warning system malfunctioned) or well if they can safely ignore it (you are a journalist trying things out). It's in a certain way just a natural extension of the existing emergency call system (common (required?) in the EU) where on detection a collisions/the airbag going off an emergency call is made. It just now detect a user seemingly becoming unable to interact with the system. It might feel aggressive but it shouldn't trigger under in any normal usage situation and even if there might be some harmless situations it likely will save lives.
- Erratic6576 3y ago
  A lot of things can happen when you are out there on your own rolling coffin, a Heart attack, hypoglycaemia (from Greek “hypo-“, meaning ‘low’; “glyc-“, ‘sugar’; and “aemia”, ‘blood’), low sugar presence in blood. Now that diabetes has become a widespread problem for millions, having a dead man switch for a case of hypoglycaemia with a Big Bro phone call to check on you can save lives, I guess, by letting the subjects quickly reach the emergency room, where we are now

pinkgolem 3y ago

To be fair, when a person is not reacting after the sequence described a medical emergency seems likely & a checkup might be a good idea.

Kirby64 3y ago
Sure, I’d agree, but the report is that they asked if they were in a collision. Seems like some better reporting to ask if they were ok (and not assume a collision) would be better.
- dist-epoch 3y ago
  People in state of shock have reduced cognitive abilities. Makes sense to ask a series of simple yes/no questions to determine what happened. "Are you ok" is too generic.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Exactly this. After a collision people will be walking around with half their guts spilling out and insist they’re “ok”.
    - tialaramex 3y ago
      Yeah. In the rush to board a train to my mother after hours of delays just before Christmas, I tripped and bashed my leg pretty hard against the step of the train, a woman asked if I was OK and I reflexively answered "I'm fine". Once seated I thought I ought to see exactly how "fine" I really was, rolled up the leg of my heavy black jeans and discovered I was now bleeding significantly. I thought about it, decided if I tell the train operator they're going to insist I go to hospital to have somebody check it, at hospital triage will (like me) conclude that I'm not in real danger and put me at the back of the queue and I won't get seen for hours, so likely I don't get a train until tomorrow, meanwhile I'm in the wrong city. So, no, I'm going to stick a Kleenex over this wound to keep it clean(ish) and stay on the train. It wasn't mortal, but it was a sizeable hole, a day later it was still bleeding so my mother drove me to an Urgent Care and a nurse practitioner glued it shut. Kind of wasting their skills, but it feels better to have someone overqualified do it than guess I can just use glue at home & never know if that was a good call.
      - dist-epoch 3y ago
        Regular superglue can produce heat when applied to skin, to the point of thermal burn. Medical glue is safe in this regard.
        tialaramex 3y ago
        Huh. Today I learned.
        garblegarble 3y ago
        Can you expand on this a little? I know that there is medical grade cyanoacrylate/superglue, and I'd expect it to have the exact same exothermic properties as regular cyanoacrylate glues. Asking out of interest, because I don't know much about medical glues, and I often just use a little dab of superglue on cracked skin and haven't experienced any burns from it (I have, however, experienced a superglue burn while crafting - for anyone who doesn't know: don't use cotton to wipe off excess superglue, it will rapidly polymerise and heat up, and it'll stick to your skin while it's doing it)
        bombcar 3y ago
        All I know is the medical superglue has “two phases” and gets hot for the first one a bit, and then there’s some sort of second curing a bit later.
    - mnw21cam 3y ago
      I fell off my bike today. As I was wheeling it off the road and onto the pavement, someone in a passing car rolled down the window and asked if I was alright. My answer was "Ask me in ten minutes". And yes, ten minutes later I was sat on the ground against a shop window with my vision gone dark, apparently as white as a sheet, and a lovely old lady calling an ambulance for me. It's funny how the body works - it gave me a couple of minutes of being able to get myself off an active road before initiating shock symptoms.
- pinkgolem 3y ago
  Yeah, that seems like a minor improvement that could be implemented... But the call is the important thing, check if someone answers.. if not -> call emergency services.. if yes, discuss next steps Calls are also sometimes available when data is not/just plain faster
- m3047 3y ago
  > asked if they were in a collision Would you prefer "have you been involved in a loss of life incident?" My point is to not take the question at face value, rather take it as a compliance tool. Most people will answer it automatically because either hell yea they were, or they weren't. Take a deep breath and let's start again. If I ask you "did you kill somebody?" are you more or less likely to answer with something other than "fuck you" than if I ask "how is your package?". I get it, it depends on set and setting. Good thing they have so much beyond telemetry (extending into humint) in that alleged "car", eh?

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solardev 3y ago

Yeah, I've wondered that too. I've triggered the audible alarm many times, but I'm still not sure what happens if it actually needs to emergency brake and cut engine power. How does it handle steering/skidding? Is it gonna cause the person behind me rear end me? I hope I never have to find out, but it'd be nice to know ahead of time...

Erratic6576 3y ago
I’ve been wondering this the whole time. Does it gently stop on the right shoulders so you can comfortably get out the vehicle to meet traffic from behind?

marcellus23 3y ago

I thought the same, it's poorly titled IMO. "Automated emergency braking," to me, means the system that brakes if it thinks you're about to hit something. I would have never thought about the cruise-control hands-off-wheel behavior (which braking is only one piece of, anyway).

dathinab 3y ago

consider that: > Mercedes calling their call center seems a bit aggressive through necessary: I mean, let's be honest under which "normal" conditions do you ignore the warning system _and continue to do so even after the car stopped_? Whatever it is if you are not a journalist testing something out there is a pretty high chance you need help one way or another. So they call you to then figure out if they need to call you an ambulance (e.g. imagine you had a heart attack, or passed out due to some circulatory mall function) or a technician (the warning system malfunctioned) or well if they can safely ignore it (you are a journalist trying things out). It's in a certain way just a natural extension of the existing emergency call system (common (required?) in the EU) where on detection a collisions/the airbag going off an emergency call is made. It just now detect a user seemingly becoming unable to interact with the system. It might feel aggressive but it shouldn't trigger under in any normal usage situation and even if there might be some harmless situations it likely will save lives.

Erratic6576 3y ago
A lot of things can happen when you are out there on your own rolling coffin, a Heart attack, hypoglycaemia (from Greek “hypo-“, meaning ‘low’; “glyc-“, ‘sugar’; and “aemia”, ‘blood’), low sugar presence in blood. Now that diabetes has become a widespread problem for millions, having a dead man switch for a case of hypoglycaemia with a Big Bro phone call to check on you can save lives, I guess, by letting the subjects quickly reach the emergency room, where we are now