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Yet again, my dumb 2005 Toyota and 69 Bug prove the value of 'old is gold'. Don't get me wrong, of course I love technology ... but to see it being used like t

Yet again, my dumb 2005 Toyota and 69 Bug prove the value of 'old is gold'. Don't get me wrong, of course I love technology ... but to see it being used like this is dispairing.

andrepd 3y ago
It's really a damn shame that for the past ~10-15 years we can't have evolution in technology (in this case, better engines, fuel economy, etc) without an evolution in enshittification (unwieldy touchscreens for interfaces which go at 3FPS, remote software updates that break your car, cameras with absolutely no real purpose whatsoever other than apparently spying you have sex in the back seat, etc)
542458 3y ago
I don’t see why HN acts like you need to buy a 15 year old vehicle to avoid internal cameras. My 2020 Elantra has no internal cameras, and even if it did it doesn’t have a cellular connection - but it does have superior fuel economy and safety to most pre-2000 vehicles. Even on newer Hyundais, while cell connections are ubiquitous on everything except the most base-model vehicles, I don’t believe internal cameras are common (the driver attention system uses steering wheel cues, unlike the Tesla one).
- whamlastxmas 3y ago
  If you have the sport package then your 2020 definitely has cell connection and your location is being tracked with it even if you don’t subscribe to blue link
  - 542458 3y ago
    Nope, I have one of the (several) lesser models to that.
- gunapologist99 3y ago
  I realize that this isn't your key point, but it's worth pointing out that pre-2000 was not 15 years ago. My impression is that cars started turning into mobile surveillance posts / attack vectors around 2008, but it varied among brands and certainly was slower among commercial vehicles, as well as certain brands like GM (with OnStar) and Lexus/Toyota (with their licensed version of OnStar) that began including these features in the mid-90's.
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Yet again, my dumb 2005 Toyota and 69 Bug prove the value of 'old is gold'. Don't get me wrong, of course I love technology ... but to see it being used like this is dispairing.

andrepd 3y ago

It's really a damn shame that for the past ~10-15 years we can't have evolution in technology (in this case, better engines, fuel economy, etc) without an evolution in enshittification (unwieldy touchscreens for interfaces which go at 3FPS, remote software updates that break your car, cameras with absolutely no real purpose whatsoever other than apparently spying you have sex in the back seat, etc)

542458 3y ago

I don’t see why HN acts like you need to buy a 15 year old vehicle to avoid internal cameras. My 2020 Elantra has no internal cameras, and even if it did it doesn’t have a cellular connection - but it does have superior fuel economy and safety to most pre-2000 vehicles. Even on newer Hyundais, while cell connections are ubiquitous on everything except the most base-model vehicles, I don’t believe internal cameras are common (the driver attention system uses steering wheel cues, unlike the Tesla one).

whamlastxmas 3y ago
If you have the sport package then your 2020 definitely has cell connection and your location is being tracked with it even if you don’t subscribe to blue link
- 542458 3y ago
  Nope, I have one of the (several) lesser models to that.
gunapologist99 3y ago
I realize that this isn't your key point, but it's worth pointing out that pre-2000 was not 15 years ago. My impression is that cars started turning into mobile surveillance posts / attack vectors around 2008, but it varied among brands and certainly was slower among commercial vehicles, as well as certain brands like GM (with OnStar) and Lexus/Toyota (with their licensed version of OnStar) that began including these features in the mid-90's.

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