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The root reason is that Tesla is made by and for people who assume that they will never ever be at the receiving end of a power imbalance. (edit: to them) More

by usrusr 3y ago

The root reason is that Tesla is made by and for people who assume that they will never ever be at the receiving end of a power imbalance. (edit: to them) More surveillance equals more opportunity to use power, not risk of ending up on the other side. The mindset operates on not identifying with former winners, as in the idea that luck might change e.g. through an unfortunate health development is completely ignored.

oa335 3y ago
Very succinct analysis, I wonder what other brands operate with the same assumption? Also are there any brands that operate under the opposite assumption?
- usrusr 3y ago
  I'm sure the mindset exists everywhere, but others are not associated with a person-brand that puts it into the center. Being German I can't say much about others, but German luxury might be the least similar. Based no doubt on there having been a time when generational wealth was going all in on understatement not by choice, but because showing off would have inspired curiosity about how exactly that wealth found its way into the second half of the 20th century. And then with the tone being set, those who actually did make their fortune post-war followed the pattern.
whamlastxmas 3y ago
This is annoyingly wrong. The root reason is they record when it’s in sentry mode and it’s saved to the cloud so you can view footage on your phone. It isn’t some evil plan to maliciously record people. It’s bothersome that there can’t be rational conversation around anything space man related
- usrusr 3y ago
  Yeah, that's the obvious motivation at the surface, I never questioned that. The thing is, people who "self-identify as winners" are incapable of seeing any downside to ubiquitous surveillance because if that ever turned against an individual, that individual would cease to be who they think they are. Self-inflicted blindness to all outcomes other than best-case.
- blindhippo 3y ago
  If that's the root reason, then there is zero reason that footage is open to consumption by the manufacturer (and made generally available to Tesla employees). That is owner data, not company data and it should be stored in a cryptographically secure manner accessible only to the owner themselves. This is entirely possible to implement but it just isn't because it would be forfeiting part of their information asymmetry that Telsa enjoys over it's customers/market.
  - whamlastxmas 3y ago
    We don't have any evidence it's generally open to consumption by all Tesla employees, and I'd be shocked if it was. I also don't think there's any cloud video storage happening by any large company that encrypts video files, Tesla isn't like uniquely dumb about this

by usrusr 3y ago

oa335 3y ago

Very succinct analysis, I wonder what other brands operate with the same assumption? Also are there any brands that operate under the opposite assumption?

usrusr 3y ago
I'm sure the mindset exists everywhere, but others are not associated with a person-brand that puts it into the center. Being German I can't say much about others, but German luxury might be the least similar. Based no doubt on there having been a time when generational wealth was going all in on understatement not by choice, but because showing off would have inspired curiosity about how exactly that wealth found its way into the second half of the 20th century. And then with the tone being set, those who actually did make their fortune post-war followed the pattern.

whamlastxmas 3y ago

This is annoyingly wrong. The root reason is they record when it’s in sentry mode and it’s saved to the cloud so you can view footage on your phone. It isn’t some evil plan to maliciously record people. It’s bothersome that there can’t be rational conversation around anything space man related

usrusr 3y ago
Yeah, that's the obvious motivation at the surface, I never questioned that. The thing is, people who "self-identify as winners" are incapable of seeing any downside to ubiquitous surveillance because if that ever turned against an individual, that individual would cease to be who they think they are. Self-inflicted blindness to all outcomes other than best-case.
blindhippo 3y ago
If that's the root reason, then there is zero reason that footage is open to consumption by the manufacturer (and made generally available to Tesla employees). That is owner data, not company data and it should be stored in a cryptographically secure manner accessible only to the owner themselves. This is entirely possible to implement but it just isn't because it would be forfeiting part of their information asymmetry that Telsa enjoys over it's customers/market.
- whamlastxmas 3y ago
  We don't have any evidence it's generally open to consumption by all Tesla employees, and I'd be shocked if it was. I also don't think there's any cloud video storage happening by any large company that encrypts video files, Tesla isn't like uniquely dumb about this